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CathyYak
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In having several conversations over the last few months about judging,
a lot of people seem to have complaints about some of the provisional
as well as the more experienced judges recently. People are
consistently telling me that the judging is the worst they have seen in
years. I am guessing that people have been saying that forever though
 . This is in many
breeds, not specific to GSPs. I am suggesting that anyone who has
valid complaints (not that my Fifi should have been BIS today because
she has the most engaging personality) should share them with the AKC's
judging operations department at:
Judging Operations: Conformation Judges
PO Box 900062
Raleigh, NC 27675-9062
phone: 919-816-3570 or 3593
fax: 919-816-4225
e-mail: judgingops@akc.org
e-mail: judgesed@akc.org
This is something you can do to feel like you are being proactive in
protecting your breed. And you can feel like you are not powerless as
to what happens in the breed ring. Hopefully this suggestion (which I
will offer in the future when people complain) will weed out the people
who would not put their opinions in writing and stand by them. Just a
suggestion.
Cathy Iacopelli
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Cathy Iacopelli
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singltrak
Las Cruces, NM
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| 11/23/2009 8:23 AM |
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I doubt seriously that there will be any change...its about the Almighty Dollar, isn't it?
Phyllis McNall***Singltrak Shorthairs
Las Cruces, New Mexico
"Look To The Past, Breed For The Future"
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From: cathyyak@aol.com
Subject: [gsp-l] Judges
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 7:13 AM
In having several conversations over the last few months about judging, a lot of people seem to have complaints about some of the provisional as well as the more experienced judges recently. People are consistently telling me that the judging is the worst they have seen in years. I am guessing that people have been saying that forever though . This is in many breeds, not specific to GSPs. I am suggesting that anyone who has valid complaints (not that my Fifi should have been BIS today because she has the most engaging personality) should share them with the AKC's judging operations department at: Judging Operations: Conformation Judges PO Box 900062 Raleigh, NC 27675-9062 phone: 919-816-3570 or 3593 fax: 919-816-4225 e-mail: judgingops@akc.orge-mail: judgesed@akc.orgThis is something you can do to feel like you are being proactive in protecting your breed. And you can feel like you are not powerless as to what happens in the breed ring. Hopefully this suggestion (which I will offer in the future when people complain) will weed out the people who would not put their opinions in writing and stand by them. Just a suggestion. Cathy Iacopelli Unsubscribing: To unsubscribe from the list, send an email message in PLAIN TEXT to gsp-l-request@web.whc.net with message text of "unsubscribe gsp-l you@email.add" (replace the email address with
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gsp2
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| 11/23/2009 1:02 PM |
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In regarding the AKC & judges. I recently had a personal phone call from Doug Lundgren at the AKC in regards to a situation that had happened at a few hunt tests that were not listed in the rules regarding complaints from an exibitor in regards to judges.
The situation regarded someone who was disgruntled video taping other handlers dogs and filing a complaint against the judge.
This is what Mr. Lundgren relayed to me:
"This is not the NFL we do not have instant replay. Regarding our judges, we feel that they are qualified to do their job and what ever they say in regards to a dog and judging is the law. We do not doubt their word and will not even view or take the time to view any videos. The judge's word is the facts that we will use in the reports."
Does that answer anyone's questions in regards to the Hunt Test Judges. But I would assume if they consider that road for Hunt Tests it will be the same for all the other events.
Robin
DNR GSP's
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BONGSP1
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Speaking of judges, good or bad, not all the judges are listed
for the Specialties prior to Westminster. Friday EGSPC is ML
O'Connor. Saturday, LIGSP is Reese-Newson . Don't know Sleepy
Hollow or Thursday. Anyone??? Bonnie
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CathyYak
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| That's pretty depressing.
Cathy
-----Original Message-----
From: gsp2@optonline.net
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Sent: Mon, Nov 23, 2009 2:45 pm
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] Judges
In regarding the AKC & judges. I recently had a personal phone call
from Doug Lundgren at the AKC in regards to a situation that had
happened at a few hunt tests that were not listed in the rules
regarding complaints from an exibitor in regards to judges.
The situation regarded someone who was disgruntled video taping other
handlers dogs and filing a complaint against the judge.
This is what Mr. Lundgren relayed to me:
"This is not the NFL we do not have instant replay. Regarding our
judges, we feel that they are qualified to do their job and what ever
they say in regards to a dog and judging is the law. We do not doubt
their word and will not even view or take the time to view any videos.
The judge's word is the facts that we will use in the reports."
Does that answer anyone's questions in regards to the Hunt Test Judges.
But I would assume if they consider that road for Hunt Tests it will be
the same for all the other events.
Robin
DNR GSP's
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Cathy Iacopelli
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wyndbournegsp
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| 11/23/2009 3:28 PM |
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The judge's ring is his/her domain. since the AKC has approved them for judging, it is my understanding that theirs is the last word. You pay for their opinion and you get it. the only thing we can do is boycot them in the future.
Sue
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From: gsp2@optonline.net
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Sent: Mon, Nov 23, 2009 2:45 pm
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] Judges
In regarding the AKC & judges. I recently had a personal phone call from Doug Lundgren at the AKC in regards to a situation that had happened at a few hunt tests that were not listed in the rules regarding complaints from an exibitor in regards to judges.
The situation regarded someone who was disgruntled video taping other handlers dogs and filing a complaint against the judge.
This is what Mr. Lundgren relayed to me:
"This is not the NFL we do not have instant replay. Regarding our judges, we feel that they are qualified to do their job and what ever they say in regards to a dog and judging is the law. We do not doubt their word and will not even view or take the time to view any videos. The judge's word is the facts that we will use in the reports."
Does that answer anyone's questions in regards to the Hunt Test Judges. But I would assume if they consider that road for Hunt Tests it will be the same for all the other events.
Robin
DNR GSP's
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CathyYak
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| 11/23/2009 3:51 PM |
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We can write to the AKC in a mature and professional manner explaining
specifically why we feel that judge is not judging to our breed
standard. Dan? Can you add to this?
By the way, they are not all approved by AKC. Some are still
provisional.
Cathy
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From: wyndbournegsp@aol.com
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Sent: Mon, Nov 23, 2009 5:07 pm
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] Judges
The judge's ring is his/her domain. since the AKC has approved them for
judging, it is my understanding that theirs is the last word. You pay
for their opinion and you get it. the only thing we can do is boycot
them in the future.
Sue
www.wyndbournegsp.com
-----Original Message-----
From: gsp2@optonline.net
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Sent: Mon, Nov 23, 2009 2:45 pm
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] Judges
In regarding the AKC & judges. I recently had a personal phone call
from Doug Lundgren at the AKC in regards to a situation that had
happened at a few hunt tests that were not listed in the rules
regarding complaints from an exibitor in regards to judges.
The situation regarded someone who was disgruntled video taping other
handlers dogs and filing a complaint against the judge.
This is what Mr. Lundgren relayed to me:
"This is not the NFL we do not have instant replay. Regarding our
judges, we feel that they are qualified to do their job and what ever
they say in regards to a dog and judging is the law. We do not doubt
their word and will not even view or take the time to view any videos.
The judge's word is the facts that we will use in the reports."
Does that answer anyone's questions in regards to the Hunt Test Judges.
But I would assume if they consider that road for Hunt Tests it will be
the same for all the other events.
Robin
DNR GSP's
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Cathy Iacopelli
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dbrianmack
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| 11/23/2009 4:26 PM |
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Greetings List,
Upon reading the responses to this thread, I thought that I should respond.
It is probably a good resource that all exhibitors should become comfortable with.
With that mentioned, understand that a Judge's decision is pretty much the final word. However, infractions or "gray areas" specified in the aformetioned publication can be dealt directly with the AKC Judges' Operations Dept.
A copy of your letter and a request that the Judge respond within 30 days of the complaint is protocol for AKC. All letters remain in the Judge's file for as long as they are a Judge. AKC will follow up on the matter and get back to you in a timely manner.
I wrote a letter to AKC some time ago regarding a Judge's poor attitude and lack of professionalism. It appeared that my letter was NOT ALONE and I was informed later (by AKC) that the Judge was reprimanded.
AKC does not monitor the field when a Judge is past the Provisional status. It's up to the exhibitor to fill them in. Your letter will not fall upon deaf ears.
Cheers,
Dan
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Hdwyacre
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The Judges for Sleepy Hollow GSP Club for the GSA Specialty Shows
Reg. Mr. Thomas Alexander from Manitoba, Canada
Sweepstakes judge is Jacqueline M Rayner from Hamilton, New Jersey
Sue Prohaska
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CathyYak
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| 11/23/2009 4:37 PM |
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| I no longer belong to the BASS, but I do kknow who the most recent
judge choices are. They have changed already, and may again. But as of
now, as far as I know, Sweeps will be judged by Terry Pierce and Breed
by Carrie Paine from down under.
Cathy
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From: BONGSP1@aol.com
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Sent: Mon, Nov 23, 2009 3:00 pm
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] Judges
Speaking of judges, good or bad, not all the judges are listed for
the Specialties prior to Westminster. Friday EGSPC is ML O'Connor.
Saturday, LIGSP is Reese-Newson . Don't know Sleepy Hollow or
Thursday. Anyone??? Bonnie
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Cathy Iacopelli
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ElwingGSP
Bartlesville, Oklahoma
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| 11/23/2009 4:45 PM |
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Seven Hills wrote:
I wrote a letter to AKC some time ago regarding a Judge's poor attitude and lack of professionalism. It appeared that my letter was NOT ALONE and I was informed later (by AKC) that the Judge was reprimanded.
The key point here is that the complaint was not about a judging decision. It is very difficult to critique a judging decision and present a case to AKC in that regard. Unless a judge commits some sort of obvious violation it is doubtful that they will be reprimanded. Fully licensed judges are not evaluated on their ability to select the correct winner. Provisional judges do interview with the Rep and would need to be able to justify their decisions.
But if a judge is unprofessional and rude to exhibitors, then that SHOULD be reported, provisional or not.
Regards,
Marty B Cornell
Elwing Pointers
Bartlesville, Okla.
"Life is too short to hunt with an ugly dog."
http://ElwingGSP.com
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rhjohnston9587
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| 11/23/2009 4:45 PM |
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Why depressing? How could it be any other way? It's not the NFL and it's not a horse race either, in a horse race it's the first horse across the finish line and nothing else matters. No style points or other subjective evaluations. Field trial judging is full of subjectivity, manner of running, carriage of head and tail, speed, course coverage, number of birds found, retrieving ability and on and on. You would never get a trial run if the judges are second guessed. The most you can hope for are knowledgeable judges who are consistent and fair and enforce and follow the rules.
Mr. Lundgren has it exactly right. If you feel a judge isn't qualified don't run under them. Bad judges get weeded out over time. We've all had bad results at times, but, "them's the breaks" and if you can't take a bad break once in a while, field trialing is not your game. Bob Johnston
> To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
> Subject: Re: [gsp-l] Judges
> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:44:07 -0500
> From: cathyyak@aol.com
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> That's pretty depressing.
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> Cathy
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: gsp2@optonline.net
> To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
> Sent: Mon, Nov 23, 2009 2:45 pm
> Subject: Re: [gsp-l] Judges
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> In regarding the AKC & judges. I recently had a personal phone call
> from Doug Lundgren at the AKC in regards to a situation that had
> happened at a few hunt tests that were not listed in the rules
> regarding complaints from an exibitor in regards to judges.
>
> The situation regarded someone who was disgruntled video taping other
> handlers dogs and filing a complaint against the judge.
>
> This is what Mr. Lundgren relayed to me:
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> "This is not the NFL we do not have instant replay. Regarding our
> judges, we feel that they are qualified to do their job and what ever
> they say in regards to a dog and judging is the law. We do not doubt
> their word and will not even view or take the time to view any videos.
> The judge's word is the facts that we will use in the reports."
>
> Does that answer anyone's questions in regards to the Hunt Test Judges.
> But I would assume if they consider that road for Hunt Tests it will be
> the same for all the other events.
>
> Robin
> DNR GSP's
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>
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BONGSP1
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| 11/23/2009 5:04 PM |
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In a message dated 11/23/2009 5:14:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
wyndbournegsp@aol.com writes:
The judge's ring is his/her domain. since the AKC has approved them for
judging, it is my understanding that theirs is the last word. You pay for
their opinion and you get it. the only thing we can do is boycot them in the
future.
Sue
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CathyYak
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| 11/23/2009 5:35 PM |
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This was in regards to a hunt test situation. And what I found
depressing was a refusal by the AKC to even consider viewing the
evidence. Yes, it is part of the game to get bad judges now and again.
But the AKC should care whether these judges are representing them in
accordance with the rules of the venue. A test is a test, not a trial.
Either your dog completed the requirements or he did not. While the
scores can fluctuate from judge to judge, it should be clear most of
the time whether or not the dog should qualify.
I have come across judges who think they can rewrite the rules. Even
heard one claim he DID write the rules. Seen people outright robbed by
judges, and others passed when they hadn't pointed a single bird
(including my own dogs on two occasions, to my embarrassment). And I
have seen these rules so blatantly disregarded as to be speechless (and
that ain't a common occurrence ). Judges are people, good and bad,
clever and ignorant, same as in any microcosm of society. I would think
AKC reps would know that and not claim all are beyond reproach. And I
would think they should be just as eager to weed out the bad ones as
exhibitors are.
But maybe that is just me.
Cathy
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Cathy Iacopelli
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janetmcz
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| 11/23/2009 6:37 PM |
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As to the Hunt test venue,
you should make the host club aware of your concern regarding a
particular judge. Having been a Hunt test chairperson for many moons,
I want to know when judges are not following the rules.
If I receive a complaint on the Master/Senior side, I generally check
in with the gunners just to get their take on how things went in the
bird field. On one occasion, I was made aware that a pro-handler
requested to collar his dog after the back--in MASTER--and the judges
allowed him to do it! They haven't judged M/S for my club since.
Janet
cathyyak@aol.com wrote:
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This was in regards to a hunt test situation. And what I found
depressing was a refusal by the AKC to even consider viewing the
evidence. Yes, it is part of the game to get bad judges now and again.
But the AKC should care whether these judges are representing them in
accordance with the rules of the venue. A test is a test, not a trial.
Either your dog completed the requirements or he did not. While the
scores can fluctuate from judge to judge, it should be clear most of
the time whether or not the dog should qualify.
I have come across judges who think they can rewrite the rules. Even
heard one claim he DID write the rules. Seen people outright robbed by
judges, and others passed when they hadn't pointed a single bird
(including my own dogs on two occasions, to my embarrassment). And I
have seen these rules so blatantly disregarded as to be speechless (and
that ain't a common occurrence ). Judges are people, good
and bad, clever and ignorant, same as in any microcosm of society. I
would think AKC reps would know that and not claim all are beyond
reproach. And I would think they should be just as eager to weed out
the bad ones as exhibitors are.
But maybe that is just me.
Cathy
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CathyYak
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| 11/23/2009 6:44 PM |
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| Jan,
Have you seen the orange and yellow plastic cap gun? That one
boggles the mind too.
Cathy
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rhjohnston9587
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| 11/23/2009 11:14 PM |
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Given what you say, your remedy does not improve things, even in the NFL some events are not reviewable.
Now if a judge is drunk or abuses a participant or breaks a rule of procedure right in front of God and everybody a complaint to AKC is justified and will probably be addressed. Whether a dog established a point to the satisfaction of the rules is up to the discretion of the judge. Whether the dog ran over a bird or took it out is up to the discretion of the judge. Whether something actually happened or didn't happen can be a matter of contention between judges so how could a third party decide the matter. Reviews by AKC would take forever. The cure would be worse than the disease. Most judges make mistakes due to ignorance (lack of experience) not dishonesty. This can be improved by Judges seminars, participation in fun trials, having judges assigned to older experienced judges and so on.
The pool of judging experience in Hunt tests is not deep, most of the judges I see are field trialers trying to help out. The dogs are show dogs handled by show folks, their experience is limited, but they can all read so their natural inclination is to go by what they think the book prescribes, you can get bogged down in trivial events. There very few trials where some rule is not ignored due to the pressure of time or unusual circumstance. There is a procedure in trials and I think hunt tests whereby a participant can protest to the field trial committee if someone thinks a rule has been broken resulting in an injustice. So there is a review process. The idea of taking a video camera to a trial or hunt test with an eye toward documenting judging errors is demeaning, even insulting. Believe it or not, judging is a thankless task and is viewed as an obligation to the game by most trialers rather than as a fun time. With the demise of rental horses the pool is even smaller. Subjecting a decent judge to unwarranted scrutiny will just make things worse.
I know it is frustrating to be the victim of a judging error whether intended or not, but show me a judge who hasn't made a mistake and I'll show you one who won't make a decision. We certainly need more judges, the bigger the pool the less likely to have to run under someone you'd rather not. So volunteer everybody. Bob Johnston
> To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
> Subject: Re: [gsp-l] Judges
> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:19:05 -0500
> From: cathyyak@aol.com
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>
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> <> qualified don't run under them. Bad judges get weeded out over time.
> We've all had bad results at times, but, "them's the breaks" and if you
> can't take a bad break once in a while, field trialing is not your
> game. Bob Johnston>>
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>
> This was in regards to a hunt test situation. And what I found
> depressing was a refusal by the AKC to even consider viewing the
> evidence. Yes, it is part of the game to get bad judges now and again.
> But the AKC should care whether these judges are representing them in
> accordance with the rules of the venue. A test is a test, not a trial.
> Either your dog completed the requirements or he did not. While the
> scores can fluctuate from judge to judge, it should be clear most of
> the time whether or not the dog should qualify.
>
> I have come across judges who think they can rewrite the rules. Even
> heard one claim he DID write the rules. Seen people outright robbed by
> judges, and others passed when they hadn't pointed a single bird
> (including my own dogs on two occasions, to my embarrassment). And I
> have seen these rules so blatantly disregarded as to be speechless (and
> that ain't a common occurrence ). Judges are people, good and bad,
> clever and ignorant, same as in any microcosm of society. I would think
> AKC reps would know that and not claim all are beyond reproach. And I
> would think they should be just as eager to weed out the bad ones as
> exhibitors are.
>
> But maybe that is just me.
>
> Cathy
>
>
>
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legacykennels1
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Ok since we are on a Judges theme..and I am not being nasty, just curious. Jackie breeds Pomeranians/German Shepards. Why would you not get a gsp breeder to be a sweeps judge? or would everyone think that so and so would not put up this type/her type/his type?...but I would think you would want someone who knows what our puppies look and act like when they are puppies. At least i would. i know Jackie and I like Jackie..it has absolutely nothing to do with her..so would that be a reason?. Personally i would want a gsp breeder/exhibitor to do my puppies, but..thats just me. Anyone else? and once again, Im not bashing anyone for picking this sweeps judge..it just reminded me of other instances. Donna
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From: Hdwyacre@aol.com
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] Judges
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 6:11 PM
The Judges for Sleepy Hollow GSP Club for the GSA Specialty Shows
Reg. Mr. Thomas Alexander from Manitoba, Canada
Sweepstakes judge is Jacqueline M Rayner from Hamilton, New Jersey
Sue Prohaska
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CathyYak
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| I can't speak for Sleepy Hollow. But if there are any knowledgeable
GSP breeders interested in judging sweeps, they should let people on
show committees know so they can be considered. In my club, anyone can
nominate a person, then we vote. So whoever the majority wants, gets
offered the assignment. We have asked a lot of breeders over the years
only to be turned down because they prefer to enter.
Cathy
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CathyYak
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| I can't speak for Sleepy Hollow. But if there are any knowledgeable GSP
breeders interested in judging sweeps, they should let people on show
committees know so they can be considered. In my club, anyone can
nominate a person, then we vote. So whoever the majority wants, gets
offered the assignment. We have asked a lot of breeders over the years
only to be turned down because they prefer to enter.
Cathy
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