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NanROCCo
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In a message dated 10/6/2009 9:50:03 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
norman.wood@att.net writes:
I'm not
going to take a chance
breeding my bitch to a hidden undisclosed health
problem.
Most of the most serious health maladies in all dogs, including GSPs have
no health tests. That is not to say we should not use the ones we have. I
understand from Penn, we are about to get a genetic test for Lupoid Dermatosis,
so moving in the right direction. I think of various cancers, heart ailments,
epilepsy (thought some of us have submitted blood samples from epilepsy related
dogs to help move this effort forward) and other less common things. If you hear
a rumor, just call the person who owns the dog and ask them if they have ever
had a problem you should know about. I remember when, long, long ago, I bred my
now long gone "Peggy" to one of Ann King Wallace's boys, Ann made a list of
everything she had experienced in her breedings that might be of any concern. I
appreciated that. I think we should be very transparent about what we experience
in health, temperament, conformation and all other aspects of what might impact
breeding. Just me. Nancy Campbell
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In a message dated 10/6/2009 From: NanROCCo@aol.com
I think we should be very transparent about what we experience in health, temperament, conformation and all other aspects of what might impact breeding. Just me.
Nancy,
How can you ask about any health issues without getting body slammed from breeders or be threaten with a "Law Suit"?
I too have 2 dogs here that have health issues, but I have, on my own, trace down where the problems is, and no thanks to there breeders.
Becky McCasland
Briarwood Kennels
Haughton, LA
www.briarwoodgsp.com
"In God We Trust"
Sorry Looks Back. Worry looks Around. Faith Looks Ahead.
It takes years to build up trust, and it only takes suspicion, not proof, to destroy it.
From: NanROCCo@aol.com
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:04:11 -0400
Subject: [gsp-l] "hidden" health issues
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
In a message dated 10/6/2009 9:50:03 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, norman.wood@att.net writes:
I'm not going to take a chance
breeding my bitch to a hidden undisclosed health problem.
Most of the most serious health maladies in all dogs, including GSPs have no health tests. That is not to say we should not use the ones we have. I understand from Penn, we are about to get a genetic test for Lupoid Dermatosis, so moving in the right direction. I think of various cancers, heart ailments, epilepsy (thought some of us have submitted blood samples from epilepsy related dogs to help move this effort forward) and other less common things. If you hear a rumor, just call the person who owns the dog and ask them if they have ever had a problem you should know about. I remember when, long, long ago, I bred my now long gone "Peggy" to one of Ann King Wallace's boys, Ann made a list of everything she had experienced in her breedings that might be of any concern. I appreciated that. I think we should be very transparent about what we experience in health, temperament, conformation and all other aspects of what might impact breeding. Just me. Nancy Campbell
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NanROCCo
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In a message dated 10/6/2009 11:23:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
gspbriar@msn.com writes:
In a
message dated 10/6/2009 From: NanROCCo@aol.com
I think we should be very
transparent about what we experience in health, temperament, conformation and
all other aspects of what might impact breeding. Just
me.
Nancy,
How can you ask about any health issues
without getting body slammed from breeders or be threaten with a "Law
Suit"?
I too have 2 dogs here that have health issues, but I have, on my
own, trace down where the problems is, and no thanks to there
breeders.
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NanROCCo
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I think we just pick up the phone and talk with people about what is going
on. Every pedigree has way more dogs in it than just the dogs bred to produce
that dog. Most of us do talk among ourselves about what problems we have, and it
helps not to seem like someone intentionally produced a dog with a malady.
Inquiry is very different than blame. When you ask for help with tracing your
problem, most will tell you what they know. It is helpful if they can give
details of who, where and when, and not just hearsay, as Jennifer posited
before. If I had a hermaphrodite from a breeding or an epileptic or SAS, then it
cannot be doublted that I have real information. If I simply heard of someone in
the pedigree of the dog in question who did, I should refer you on to the person
who actually had the issue for clarification. This prevents rumor mongering. The
longest journey starts with the first step. Speaking of health, gotta go to the
vet. Nancy Campbell
In a message dated 10/6/2009 11:23:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
gspbriar@msn.com writes:
In a
message dated 10/6/2009 From: NanROCCo@aol.com
I think we should be very
transparent about what we experience in health, temperament, conformation and
all other aspects of what might impact breeding. Just
me.
Nancy,
How can you ask about any health issues
without getting body slammed from breeders or be threaten with a "Law
Suit"?
I too have 2 dogs here that have health issues, but I have, on my
own, trace down where the problems is, and no thanks to there
breeders.
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reflectiongsps
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What do you do if the breeders in question deny there are any issues in their lines?
-----Original Message-----
From: NanROCCo@aol.com
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Sent: Tue, Oct 6, 2009 10:33 am
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] "hidden" health issues
I think we just pick up the phone and talk with people about what is going on. Every pedigree has way more dogs in it than just the dogs bred to produce that dog. Most of us do talk among ourselves about what problems we have, and it helps not to seem like someone intentionally produced a dog with a malady. Inquiry is very different than blame. When you ask for help with tracing your problem, most will tell you what they know. It is helpful if they can give details of who, where and when, and not just hearsay, as Jennifer posited before. If I had a hermaphrodite from a breeding or an epileptic or SAS, then it cannot be doublted that I have real information. If I simply heard of someone in the pedigree of the dog in question who did, I should refer you on to the person who actually had the issue for clarification. This prevents rumor mongering. The longest journey starts with the first step. Speaking of health, gotta go to the vet. Nancy Campbell
In a message dated 10/6/2009 11:23:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gspbriar@msn.com writes: In a message dated 10/6/2009 From: NanROCCo@aol.com
I think we should be very transparent about what we experience in health, temperament, conformation and all other aspects of what might impact breeding. Just me.
Nancy,
How can you ask about any health issues without getting body slammed from breeders or be threaten with a "Law Suit"?
I too have 2 dogs here that have health issues, but I have, on my own, trace down where the problems is, and no thanks to there breeders.
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It would be nice to do that but some breeders are in totally denial that there are health issues and then it is up to the person that has the "health issue" to try to figure it out.
Becky McCasland
Briarwood Kennels
Haughton, LA
www.briarwoodgsp.com
"In God We Trust"
Sorry Looks Back. Worry looks Around. Faith Looks Ahead.
It takes years to build up trust, and it only takes suspicion, not proof, to destroy it.
From: NanROCCo@aol.com
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:33:11 -0400
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] "hidden" health issues
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
I think we just pick up the phone and talk with people about what is going on. Every pedigree has way more dogs in it than just the dogs bred to produce that dog. Most of us do talk among ourselves about what problems we have, and it helps not to seem like someone intentionally produced a dog with a malady. Inquiry is very different than blame. When you ask for help with tracing your problem, most will tell you what they know. It is helpful if they can give details of who, where and when, and not just hearsay, as Jennifer posited before. If I had a hermaphrodite from a breeding or an epileptic or SAS, then it cannot be doublted that I have real information. If I simply heard of someone in the pedigree of the dog in question who did, I should refer you on to the person who actually had the issue for clarification. This prevents rumor mongering. The longest journey starts with the first step. Speaking of health, gotta go to the vet. Nancy Campbell
In a message dated 10/6/2009 11:23:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gspbriar@msn.com writes:
In a message dated 10/6/2009 From: NanROCCo@aol.com
I think we should be very transparent about what we experience in health, temperament, conformation and all other aspects of what might impact breeding. Just me.
Nancy,
How can you ask about any health issues without getting body slammed from breeders or be threaten with a "Law Suit"?
I too have 2 dogs here that have health issues, but I have, on my own, trace down where the problems is, and no thanks to there breeders.
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knlgaede
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Remember. You have to look carefully at all the health issues. Did the animal ingest Senitnel or an overdose on a product like Sentinel? I had a dog that had seizure like symptoms after I gave her Interceptor. It happened one week after and she has not received any since. Vaccinations and pesticides can also cause seizures.
Y ou also need to look at both sides of the pedigree. Are they both proven lines? Most of us do not have our own lines. Most of us have our foundations and you will find many breeders with some of the same lines. If you breed a proven pedigree with one that is mostly out-crossed, un-health-tested unknown dogs, then that is also where I would take a look and not breed that dog anymore. Also it is good to provide
written vet proof of these said issues. I would not breed the unknown pedigree again. And talk to other long time breeders who have the same dogs in their pedigrees and find out if they have had any issues. Most reputable breeders want the same thing. To breed healthy dog and improve the breed through each litter they produce. Breeding is not a perfect science and hopefully down the road, we will be able to test for other issues and weeg then out of the breed completely, Just my thoughts.Edelmarke
GSPs
Kevin & Lisa Gaede
http://edelmarkegsp.com
"Until one has loved an animal, part of their soul remains unawakened"--- On Tue, 10/6/09, reflectiongsps@aol.com wrote:
From: reflectiongsps@aol.com
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] "hidden" health issues
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 8:52 AM
What do you do if the breeders in question deny there are any issues in their lines?
-----Original Message-----
From: NanROCCo@aol.com
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Sent: Tue, Oct 6, 2009 10:33 am
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] "hidden" health issues
I think we just pick up the phone and talk with people about what is going on. Every pedigree has way more dogs in it than just the dogs bred to produce that dog. Most of us do talk among ourselves about what problems we have, and it helps not to seem like someone intentionally produced a dog with a malady. Inquiry is very different than blame. When you ask for help with tracing your problem, most will tell you what they know. It is helpful if they can give details of who, where and when, and not just hearsay, as Jennifer posited before. If I had a hermaphrodite from a breeding or an epileptic or SAS, then it cannot be doublted that I have real information. If I simply heard of someone in the pedigree of the dog in question who did, I should refer you on to the person who actually had the issue for clarification. This prevents rumor mongering. The longest journey starts with the first step. Speaking of health, gotta go to the vet. Nancy
Campbell
In a message dated 10/6/2009 11:23:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gspbriar@msn.com writes: In a message dated 10/6/2009 From: NanROCCo@aol.com
I think we should be very transparent about what we experience in health, temperament, conformation and all other aspects of what might impact breeding. Just me.
Nancy,
How can you ask about any health issues without getting body slammed from breeders or be threaten with a "Law Suit"?
I too have 2 dogs here that have health issues, but I have, on my own, trace down where the problems is, and no thanks to there breeders.
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reflectiongsps
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-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin and Lisa Gaede
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Sent: Tue, Oct 6, 2009 11:27 am
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] "hidden" health issues
Remember. You have to look carefully at all the health issues. Did the animal ingest Senitnel or an overdose on a product like Sentinel? I had a dog that had seizure like symptoms after I gave her Interceptor. It happened one week after and she has not received any since. Vaccinations and pesticides can also cause seizures.
You are correct, and it is being investigated in my current seizure dog. I have been told though that Interceptor will not cause seizures. Again, we are investigating that possibility. She was also recently re-vaccinated with no problems and she has not reacted to any of the pestisided I use, other than possibly the Ivermectin Horse wormer from eating the manure after I wormed the horses, which she no longer has access to. Another possibility for her last episode. It is an ongoing investigative proccess of elimination. We have also been changing her medications, which throws in another variable to consider if she has any more problems.
You also need to look at both sides of the pedigree. Are they both proven lines? Most of us do not have our own lines. Most of us have our foundations and you will find many breeders with some of the same lines. If you breed a proven pedigree with one that is mostly out-crossed, un-health-tested unknown dogs, then that is also where I would take a look and not breed that dog anymore. Also it is good to provide written vet proof of these said issues. I would not breed the unknown pedigree again. And talk to other long time breeders who have the same dogs in their pedigrees and find out if they have had any issues. Most reputable breeders want the same thing. To breed healthy dog and improve the breed through each litter they produce. Breeding is not a perfect science and hopefully down the road, we will be able to test for other issues and weeg then out of the breed completely, Just my thoughts.
Again, I agree with your primary point. I have learned much from other breeders about the lines I have, though I was unable to research some of them as they are no longer in the business or just plain ignored my questions. I must go by what I have experienced, and that is if I had not included a certain dog in my "program", I probably would not have had any issues, as I did not have any prior to using that dog. That is where I am coming form, that is what I have experienced, that is my own opinion. As for using untested dogs, that is in the past. I have learned much in the past two years and will now test everyone I keep or make sure if I use an outside stud, that he is also cleared, knowing full well that that will not be a guarantee that all will go well. I have learned that some bloodlines should never be crossed or you risk issues. If everyone is open an ho!
nest about the pups either raised or sired by their dogs and bitches, then share any unfortunate happening, people will learn which lines don't cross well and which do, thus giving everyone a more educated guess as to whether the breeding they are planning will be a good one and allowing for an informed decision as to whether or not to do the breeding.
Anne
From: reflectiongsps@aol.com <reflectiongsps@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] "hidden" health issues
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 8:52 AM
What do you do if the breeders in question deny there are any issues in their lines?
-----Original Message-----
From: NanROCCo@aol.com
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Sent: Tue, Oct 6, 2009 10:33 am
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] "hidden" health issues
I think we just pick up the phone and talk with people about what is going on. Every pedigree has way more dogs in it than just the dogs bred to produce that dog. Most of us do talk among ourselves about what problems we have, and it helps not to seem like someone intentionally produced a dog with a malady. Inquiry is very different than blame. When you ask for help with tracing your problem, most will tell you what they know. It is helpful if they can give details of who, where and when, and not just hearsay, as Jennifer posited before. If I had a hermaphrodite from a breeding or an epileptic or SAS, then it cannot be doublted that I have real information. If I simply heard of someone in the pedigree of the dog in question who did, I should refer you on to the person who actually had the issue for clarification. This prevents rumor mongering. The longest journey starts with the first step. Speaking of health, gotta go to the ve!
t. Nancy Campbell
In a message dated 10/6/2009 11:23:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gspbriar@msn.com writes:
In a message dated 10/6/2009 From: NanROCCo@aol.com
I think we should be very transparent about what we experience in health, temperament, conformation and all other aspects of what might impact breeding. Just me.
Nancy,
How can you ask about any health issues without getting body slammed from breeders or be threaten with a "Law Suit"?
I too have 2 dogs here that have health issues, but I have, on my own, trace down where the problems is, and no thanks to there breeders.
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ASKMEGSP
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Laugh ?
-----Original Message-----
From: reflectiongsps@aol.com
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Sent: Tue, Oct 6, 2009 11:52 am
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] "hidden" health issues
What do you do if the breeders in question deny there are any issues in their lines?
-----Original Message-----
From: NanROCCo@aol.com
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Sent: Tue, Oct 6, 2009 10:33 am
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] "hidden" health issues
I think we just pick up the phone and talk with people about what is going on. Every pedigree has way more dogs in it than just the dogs bred to produce that dog. Most of us do talk among ourselves about what problems we have, and it helps not to seem like someone intentionally produced a dog with a malady. Inquiry is very different than blame. When you ask for help with tracing your problem, most will tell you what they know. It is helpful if they can give details of who, where and when, and not just hearsay, as Jennifer posited before. If I had a hermaphrodite from a breeding or an epileptic or SAS, then it cannot be doublted that I have real information. If I simply heard of someone in the pedigree of the dog in question who did, I should refer you on to the person who actually had the issue for clarification. This prevents rumor mongering. The longest journey starts with the first step. Speaking of health, gotta go to the vet. Nancy Campbell
In a message dated 10/6/2009 11:23:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gspbriar@msn.com writes: In a message dated 10/6/2009 From: NanROCCo@aol.com
I think we should be very transparent about what we experience in health, temperament, conformation and all other aspects of what might impact breeding. Just me.
Nancy,
How can you ask about any health issues without getting body slammed from breeders or be threaten with a "Law Suit"?
I too have 2 dogs here that have health issues, but I have, on my own, trace down where the problems is, and no thanks to there breeders.
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reflectiongsps
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Good answer
-----Original Message-----
From: askmegsp@aol.com
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Sent: Tue, Oct 6, 2009 11:54 am
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] "hidden" health issues
Laugh ?
-----Original Message-----
From: reflectiongsps@aol.com
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Sent: Tue, Oct 6, 2009 11:52 am
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] "hidden" health issues
What do you do if the breeders in question deny there are any issues in their lines?
-----Original Message-----
From: NanROCCo@aol.com
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Sent: Tue, Oct 6, 2009 10:33 am
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] "hidden" health issues
I think we just pick up the phone and talk with people about what is going on. Every pedigree has way more dogs in it than just the dogs bred to produce that dog. Most of us do talk among ourselves about what problems we have, and it helps not to seem like someone intentionally produced a dog with a malady. Inquiry is very different than blame. When you ask for help with tracing your problem, most will tell you what they know. It is helpful if they can give details of who, where and when, and not just hearsay, as Jennifer posited before. If I had a hermaphrodite from a breeding or an epileptic or SAS, then it cannot be doublted that I have real information. If I simply heard of someone in the pedigree of the dog in question who did, I should refer you on to the person who actually had the issue for clarification. This prevents rumor mongering. The longest journey starts with the first step. Speaking of health, gotta go to the vet. Nancy Campbell
In a message dated 10/6/2009 11:23:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gspbriar@msn.com writes: In a message dated 10/6/2009 From: NanROCCo@aol.com
I think we should be very transparent about what we experience in health, temperament, conformation and all other aspects of what might impact breeding. Just me.
Nancy,
How can you ask about any health issues without getting body slammed from breeders or be threaten with a "Law Suit"?
I too have 2 dogs here that have health issues, but I have, on my own, trace down where the problems is, and no thanks to there breeders.
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NanROCCo
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In a message dated 10/6/2009 12:52:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
reflectiongsps@aol.com writes:
As for
using untested dogs, that is in the past. I have learned much in the
past two years and will now test everyone I keep or make sure if I use an
outside stud, that he is also cleared, knowing full well that that will not be
a guarantee that all will go well. I have learned that some bloodlines
should never be crossed or you risk issues.
I am curious here, Anne et al. Is anyone actually under the impression that
you can test for epilepsy? You cannot. The diagnosis of epilepsy is a diagnosis
of elimination. If no cause can be found, particularly if the seizures cluster
and come at relatively predictable intervals, Idiopathic Epilepsy is the
diagnosis. Epilepsy of unknown cause. Unknown cause is typically understood to
mean heritable, and hence begins the search. The further problem with Epilepsy
is that, while the Vizsla research once thought autosomal recessive gene was the
cause, it is now known not to be the case. Polygenic inheritance patterns are
much harder to search and test for. That is why, if you have a dog with
epilepsy, you should contribute blood samples of that dog and its direct
relatives to the research endeavors now going on. If everyone does that, we will
be closer to a test sooner. Nancy Campbell
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NanROCCo
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In a message dated 10/6/2009 11:58:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
reflectiongsps@aol.com writes:
What do
you do if the breeders in question deny there are any issues in their
lines?
Put them on my list of stupid people not to eat lunch with.
NCC
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reflectiongsps
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"I am curious here, Anne et al. Is anyone actually under the impression that you can test for epilepsy? "
I was not refering to the Epilepsy, which is probably what she has, but we are in the process of eliminating any other external possiblilities for the causes of her seizures.
I will be having my vet take blood on her, her mother, her grandmother, her grand aunt and grand uncle, and her sister, as I have access to all of them, to send in for the research team. Linda sent me the forms and info to do that. Anne
-----Original Message-----
From: NanROCCo@aol.com
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Sent: Tue, Oct 6, 2009 12:13 pm
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] "hidden" health issues
As for using untested dogs, that is in the past. I have learned much in the past two years and will now test everyone I keep or make sure if I use an outside stud, that he is also cleared, knowing full well that that will not be a guarantee that all will go well. I have learned that some bloodlines should never be crossed or you risk issues.
I am curious here, Anne et al. Is anyone actually under the impression that you can test for epilepsy? You cannot. The diagnosis of epilepsy is a diagnosis of elimination. If no cause can be found, particularly if the seizures cluster and come at relatively predictable intervals, Idiopathic Epilepsy is the diagnosis. Epilepsy of unknown cause. Unknown cause is typically understood to mean heritable, and hence begins the search. The further problem with Epilepsy is that, while the Vizsla research once thought autosomal recessive gene was the cause, it is now known not to be the case. Polygenic inheritance patterns are much harder to search and test for. That is why, if you have a dog with epilepsy, you should contribute blood samples of that dog and its direct relatives to the research endeavors now going on. If everyone does that, we will be closer to a test sooner. Nancy Campbell
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Sorry. I'm of the thought that if you're around long enough, you'll see one of everything (as per Jim Burns). Either that or you just aren't aware or knowledgeable to know you have the issues.
Ann
-----Original Message-----
From: askmegsp@aol.com
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Sent: Tue, Oct 6, 2009 12:54 pm
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] "hidden" health issues
Laugh ?
-----Original Message-----
From: reflectiongsps@aol.com
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Sent: Tue, Oct 6, 2009 11:52 am
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] "hidden" health issues
What do you do if the breeders in question deny there are any issues in their lines?
-----Original Message-----
From: NanROCCo@aol.com
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Sent: Tue, Oct 6, 2009 10:33 am
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] "hidden" health issues
I think we just pick up the phone and talk with people about what is going on. Every pedigree has way more dogs in it than just the dogs bred to produce that dog. Most of us do talk among ourselves about what problems we have, and it helps not to seem like someone intentionally produced a dog with a malady. Inquiry is very different than blame. When you ask for help with tracing your problem, most will tell you what they know. It is helpful if they can give details of who, where and when, and not just hearsay, as Jennifer posited before. If I had a hermaphrodite from a breeding or an epileptic or SAS, then it cannot be doublted that I have real information. If I simply heard of someone in the pedigree of the dog in question who did, I should refer you on to the person who actually had the issue for clarification. This prevents rumor mongering. The longest journey starts with the first step. Speaking of health, gotta go to the vet. Nancy Campbell
In a message dated 10/6/2009 11:23:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gspbriar@msn.com writes: In a message dated 10/6/2009 From: NanROCCo@aol.com
I think we should be very transparent about what we experience in health, temperament, conformation and all other aspects of what might impact breeding. Just me.
Nancy,
How can you ask about any health issues without getting body slammed from breeders or be threaten with a "Law Suit"?
I too have 2 dogs here that have health issues, but I have, on my own, trace down where the problems is, and no thanks to there breeders.
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Yep !
-----Original Message-----
From: NanROCCo@aol.com
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Sent: Tue, Oct 6, 2009 1:33 pm
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] "hidden" health issues
What do you do if the breeders in question deny there are any issues in their lines?
Put them on my list of stupid people not to eat lunch with. NCC
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I would look else where.
Carol Cronk
Autumn's GSP's & PRT's
Home of CH
Berihill's Bye Bye Love JH "Candi"
Home of BOB Winner
CH StoneBrook's Autumn Mist "Charli"
Home of
the 2005 Westminster BIS NSC, BIS, BISS CH Kan-Points VJK Autumn
Roses "CARLEE"
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Subject: Re: [gsp-l] "hidden" health
issues
Good answer
-----Original Message-----
From: askmegsp@aol.com
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Sent: Tue, Oct 6,
2009 11:54 am
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] "hidden" health issues
Laugh ?
-----Original Message----- From: reflectiongsps@aol.comTo: gsp-l@web.whc.netSent: Tue, Oct 6,
2009 11:52 am Subject: Re: [gsp-l] "hidden" health issues
What do you do if
the breeders in question deny there are any issues in their
lines? -----Original Message----- From: NanROCCo@aol.comTo: gsp-l@web.whc.netSent: Tue, Oct 6,
2009 10:33 am Subject: Re: [gsp-l] "hidden" health issues
I think we just pick up the phone and talk with people about what is
going on. Every pedigree has way more dogs in it than just the dogs bred to
produce that dog. Most of us do talk among ourselves about what problems we
have, and it helps not to seem like someone intentionally produced a dog with
a malady. Inquiry is very different than blame. When you ask for help with
tracing your problem, most will tell you what they know. It is helpful if they
can give details of who, where and when, and not just hearsay, as Jennifer
posited before. If I had a hermaphrodite from a breeding or an epileptic or
SAS, then it cannot be doublted that I have real information. If I simply
heard of someone in the pedigree of the dog in question who did, I should
refer you on to the person who actually had the issue for clarification. This
prevents rumor mongering. The longest journey starts with the first step.
Speaking of health, gotta go to the vet. Nancy Campbell
In a message dated 10/6/2009 11:23:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gspbriar@msn.com writes: In a
message dated 10/6/2009 From: NanROCCo@aol.com
I think we should be
very transparent about what we experience in health, temperament,
conformation and all other aspects of what might impact breeding. Just
me.
Nancy,
How can you ask about any health issues
without getting body slammed from breeders or be threaten with a "Law
Suit"?
I too have 2 dogs here that have health issues, but I have, on my
own, trace down where the problems is, and no thanks to there
breeders.
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Thanks, Nancy... that made me chuckle!!!
Sierra
-----Original Message-----
From: NanROCCo@aol.com
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Sent: Tue, Oct 6, 2009 1:33 pm
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] "hidden" health issues
What do you do if the breeders in question deny there are any
issues in their lines?
Put them on my list of stupid people not to eat lunch with. NCC
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