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CathyYak
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| 08/10/2009 3:56 PM |
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Well, you can see the AKC DNA certificates on the recent yellow GSP that
supposedly says that he is the product of those two dogs. Doesn't say they
are purebred GSP's though.
The story about the black out of the livers confirmed by DNA years
ago. I would have to see proof of that from AKC to believe it.
I recall that it was asked for but I don't remember it being produced.
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RoggenfeldGSPs1
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| 08/10/2009 4:21 PM |
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Is that a color gene test, or one proving the GSP is a pure-bred?
Pam
Leita Estes wrote:
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Pam
This is correct. But now we have a test from Vetgen.
Leita Estes Shortales German Shorthaired Pointers 1 Spotty dog
(Dalmatian) Ch. Merry Go Rounds Match Point
--- On Mon, 8/10/09, Pam Parshall
wrote:
From: Pam Parshall
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] President's message/report J/A Journal
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 6:59 PM
Of course that doesn't prove the
parents were pure-bred GSPs, only that they are the parents. You would
have to go back ? generations to find out where the lemon came from,
since they must have gotten the e gene from somewhere on both sides.
Pam Parshall
Roggenfeld Shorthairs
Leita Estes wrote:
I contacted the AKC on this issue. They did investigate
the "kennel" and did parentage testing that was conclusive that the
parents were the correct GSP registered dogs as stated.
Leita Estes Shortales German Shorthaired
Pointers 1 Spotty dog (Dalmatian) Ch. Merry Go Rounds Match Point
--- On Sat, 8/8/09, CathyYak@aol.com
wrote:
From: CathyYak@aol.com
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] President's message/report J/A Journal
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 6:17 PM
Patte,
I don't know if you recall, but some time ago
there was quite an outcry here on this list about an internet
advertisement for lemon GSP's. I personally wrote to Ken Marden to ask
that the lemon GSPs be investigated by the AKC. Ken's response was
that the AKC would not investigate unless someone put up $500. And
that the pups were probably sold anyway. Neither Ken Marden, nor the
GSPCA seemed to find it important enough to pursue. I recall Nancy
Campbell also being pretty upset about it, but she didn't get anywhere
either. I couldn't understand how the GSPCA's AKC liaison didn't care
that people were registering lemon and white GSPs as purebred GSPs.
And I couldn't understand why no one on the board of the GSPCA saw fit
to pursue it either.
For the GSPCA President to bring it up now is
very confusing to me, as no one seemed to care then. I would suspect
the posts could be found in the archives. But I don't recall exactly
when it was. Maybe I will look for it...
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legacykennels1
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| 08/10/2009 4:25 PM |
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I can see where the parents are correct...its what is behind one of them that is not quite "kosher" shall we say....Donna
--- On Mon, 8/10/09, Leita Estes wrote:
From: Leita Estes
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] President's message/report J/A Journal
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 2:01 PM
I contacted the AKC on this issue. They did investigate the "kennel" and did parentage testing that was conclusive that the parents were the correct GSP registered dogs as stated.
Leita Estes Shortales German Shorthaired Pointers 1 Spotty dog (Dalmatian) Ch. Merry Go Rounds Match Point
--- On Sat, 8/8/09, CathyYak@aol.com wrote:
From: CathyYak@aol.com
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] President's message/report J/A Journal
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 6:17 PM
Patte,
I don't know if you recall, but some time ago there was quite an outcry here on this list about an internet advertisement for lemon GSP's. I personally wrote to Ken Marden to ask that the lemon GSPs be investigated by the AKC. Ken's response was that the AKC would not investigate unless someone put up $500. And that the pups were probably sold anyway. Neither Ken Marden, nor the GSPCA seemed to find it important enough to pursue. I recall Nancy Campbell also being pretty upset about it, but she didn't get anywhere either. I couldn't understand how the GSPCA's AKC liaison didn't care that people were registering lemon and white GSPs as purebred GSPs. And I couldn't understand why no one on the board of the GSPCA saw fit to pursue it either.
For the GSPCA President to bring it up now is very confusing to me, as no one seemed to care then. I would suspect the posts could be found in the archives. But I don't recall exactly when it was. Maybe I will look for it...
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shortales
MH
Posts:336
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| 08/10/2009 4:50 PM |
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Its called chomacolor I think. Check out the vetgen website.
Leita Estes Shortales German Shorthaired Pointers 1 Spotty dog (Dalmatian) Ch. Merry Go Rounds Match Point
--- On Mon, 8/10/09, Pam Parshall wrote:
From: Pam Parshall
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] President's message/report J/A Journal
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 10:06 PM
Is that a color gene test, or one proving the GSP is a pure-bred? Pam Leita Estes wrote:
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Pam
This is correct. But now we have a test from Vetgen. Leita Estes Shortales German Shorthaired Pointers 1 Spotty dog (Dalmatian) Ch. Merry Go Rounds Match Point --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Pam Parshall wrote:
From: Pam Parshall
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] President's message/report J/A Journal
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 6:59 PM
Of course that doesn't prove the parents were pure-bred GSPs, only that they are the parents. You would have to go back ? generations to find out where the lemon came from, since they must have gotten the e gene from somewhere on both sides. Pam Parshall Roggenfeld Shorthairs Leita Estes wrote:
I contacted the AKC on this issue. They did investigate the "kennel" and did parentage testing that was conclusive that the parents were the correct GSP registered dogs as stated.
Leita Estes Shortales German Shorthaired Pointers 1 Spotty dog (Dalmatian) Ch. Merry Go Rounds Match Point
--- On Sat, 8/8/09, CathyYak@aol.com wrote:
From: CathyYak@aol.com
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] President's message/report J/A Journal
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 6:17 PM
Patte,
I don't know if you recall, but some time ago there was quite an outcry here on this list about an internet advertisement for lemon GSP's. I personally wrote to Ken Marden to ask that the lemon GSPs be investigated by the AKC. Ken's response was that the AKC would not investigate unless someone put up $500. And that the pups were probably sold anyway. Neither Ken Marden, nor the GSPCA seemed to find it important enough to pursue. I recall Nancy Campbell also being pretty upset about it, but she didn't get anywhere either. I couldn't understand how the GSPCA's AKC liaison didn't care that people were registering lemon and white GSPs as purebred GSPs. And I couldn't understand why no one on the board of the GSPCA saw fit to pursue it either.
For the GSPCA President to bring it up now is very confusing to me, as no one seemed to care then. I would suspect the posts could be found in the archives. But I don't recall exactly when it was. Maybe I will look for it...
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bajnok
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| 08/11/2009 4:47 AM |
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| If the yellow pup was ee, that's correct as far as I know. Alternative would
be a mutation in a germ cell. These arenot frequent and here you would have
to suppose that one occurred both in the male and in the female. I suspect
the odds of this happening are pretty high. So the simpler explanation is
probably the best.
FRB
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] President's message/report J/A Journal
EXACTLY PAM! It only proves they are the parents. If I understand what
Francois said, both parents would have to carry to gene for that color
in order for the pup to have it. If both parents were liver and white
and appear to be GSPs, then both parents had to either be crossbred and
carry the gene, or each had to have a crossbred ancestor who passed
down the gene.
Right or wrong Francois? Or is it more complicated than that?
Cathy
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NanROCCo
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| 08/11/2009 10:56 AM |
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In a message dated 8/10/2009 5:41:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
CathyYak@aol.com writes:
The
story about the black out of the livers confirmed by DNA years ago. I
would have to see proof of that from AKC to believe it. I recall
that it was asked for but I don't remember it being
produced.
It was never produced. Something about not wanting to be public about the
results of the breeding, I think, Nancy Campbell
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NanROCCo
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| 08/15/2009 5:32 PM |
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In a message dated 8/10/2009 5:14:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
unwillyn@aol.com writes:
This
together with AKC's insistence that the black puppy was out of
the
two l/w parents makes me seriously question the reliability of
these
tests (or at least the method of submission).
On Aug 10, 2009, at 11:01 AM,
Leita Estes wrote:
Hello, the puppy was lemon.. not black Duh.
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