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chexsix
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| 08/08/2009 12:20 PM |
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| Been following this thread with some interest. Pros and cons on both
sides. Based on historical pictures of dogs imported to the U.S.
beginning with Dr. Thornton in 1925 the GSP breed has changed. Some
would say the noticeable change/split between show and field dog
conformation began in and around the 1970's. I continue to see
reference to the genetic makeup of the GSP and would like to clarify a
couple of things as it pertains to the early Pointer influx.
The Spanish, French and English pointer original stock trace back to
the Italian pointer and with each point along the way the dogs
developed a specific look with specific traits depending upon where in
a particular country it was located, the hunting style and
requirements of those individuals living there not to mention a look
they found pleasing to the eye. The late 1700, early 1800 strains of
pointer were still evolving.
The documented use of the Arkwright Pointer in the early development
of the GSP is well known. What a lot of individuals don't know about
this particular strain of pointer is, they were solid black, their
head piece and foot configuration different from the other pointer
strains at the time and they were well known for the backing and
scenting capabilities. William Arkwright went to great lengths to
keep his strain of pointers from being cross bred to the point he
subsequently moved them out of England to Sweden.
Why, because at the time the other Pointer men in England were out
crossing to other breeds in the hope of finding something to improve
their present stock. It was Colonel Thornton(not to be confused with
Dr. Thornton) whose well known out cross to the English Foxhound is
documented by his dog "Dash" - a phenomenal dog but did nothing to
produce more of the same and as the other pointer breeders of the time
found the same out cross set their kennels back as well.
I continue to research to find something that definitely collaborates
the Foxhound was used in the development of the GSP and to date have
found no reference to the use of Fuchsjagdhund in any of the German
reference material. Nor have I found any references to the Foxhound
being used in the development of the Spanish or French pointers I
have found multiple comments by American breeder/owers from the
Fifties to the affect it is "thought" to be to which I refer back to
German sources and find nothing stating such to be the case. The only
theory I can surmise goes back to Colonel Thornton and other pointer
breeders use of the Foxhound and subsequently the misconception that
the Arkwright Pointer strain being an English kennel must be the
same. I would be more than happy to receive any documentation by the
early GSP breed developers that indicate when and where the "foxhound"
was used in the development of the breed.
What I find interesting is the lack of discussion about the "lemon
color" cropping up in registered GSP litters found in the Presidents
Message on p. 8 of the same July/August Journal.
How many have registered a litter of GSPs within the past 6 months and
noticed one could select; (061) Brown, 063 Brown & White,
(115) Lemon & White or (199) White as a color that most closely
describes your dog or "For alternatives, see www.akccolors.org.
Purebred GSPs are "BB", "Bb" or "bb" with or without white in patterns
with ticking or roan. Genetically our Liver is "bb or brown" but with
some AKC breeds the color brown is descriptive of a "sandy" or "fawn"
colored coat which would be incorrect for the GSP coat color. Yet, if
an individual has a pup in a litter with a coat color of sandy or fawn
may consider that a correct GSP coat color.
The lemon color is being found in litters where the parents purchased
as hunting companions are both liver or a combination of liver and
white and the DNA on the pups indicate the parents to be correct. To
produce "lemon/yellow" both the sire and dam have to carry the "e" and
if bred may produce one or more pups with "ee" thus the lemon/yellow
color will be expressed.
Patte Titus
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CathyYak
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| 08/08/2009 12:32 PM |
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Patte,
I don't know if you recall, but some time ago there was quite an outcry
here on this list about an internet advertisement for lemon GSP's. I
personally wrote to Ken Marden to ask that the lemon GSPs be investigated by the
AKC. Ken's response was that the AKC would not investigate unless someone
put up $500. And that the pups were probably sold
anyway. Neither Ken Marden, nor the GSPCA seemed to find it important
enough to pursue. I recall Nancy Campbell also being pretty upset
about it, but she didn't get anywhere either. I couldn't understand
how the GSPCA's AKC liaison didn't care that people were registering lemon and
white GSPs as purebred GSPs. And I couldn't understand why no one on the
board of the GSPCA saw fit to pursue it either.
For the GSPCA President to bring it up now is very confusing to me, as
no one seemed to care then. I would suspect the posts could be found in the
archives. But I don't recall exactly when it was. Maybe I will
look for it...
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lauralee
Plainfield, CT.
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| 08/08/2009 1:42 PM |
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Cathy, You might be talking about the thread on the Breeding Forum, It's called the Rarer Color Gsp?? I think someone else inquired about the Lemon color on another Thread as well.
Dang Back-yard breeders is what I call them,
Laura Wood
 I just found another Thread on Breeding Forum, Page 2, Yellow gsps
OK, Now I'm really sick. This Thread gives actual Kennel name of person breeding these dogs, and also gives the copy of Pedigree,and DNA. |
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CathyYak
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| 08/08/2009 1:56 PM |
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Nope, the breeders list wouldn't have me years ago when I wanted to
join. So I know I did not see it on there.
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Cathy Iacopelli
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CathyYak
MH
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| 08/08/2009 1:58 PM |
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Ok, spent an hour and a half looking through the archives for any thread
with "lemon" in it. Maybe that was not the title of the thread. I am
crying uncle for the moment. I have to get some work done today or I won't
be able to go to the match tomorrow  .
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Cathy Iacopelli
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lauralee
Plainfield, CT.
MH
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| 08/08/2009 2:03 PM |
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Cathy, look at my last post, I edited it, It's the Breeding Forum, not the Breeders list,
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rickp
El Paso, TX
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| 08/08/2009 2:12 PM |
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As I've said, the list is
mirrored at www.shorthairs.net (GSP
Forums tab, then mailing lists, then gsp-l). A quick search there turned
up a thread from around December 2008.
A message from 12/26/2008
with a subject of More off color "GSP's":
We tried asking to Ken to look into the last lemon GSPs that were
advertised online. Nothing happened.
Ok, spent an hour and a half looking through the archives for any thread
with "lemon" in it. Maybe that was not the title of the thread. I am
crying uncle for the moment. I have to get some work done today or I won't
be able to go to the match tomorrow .
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CathyYak
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| 08/08/2009 2:21 PM |
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This was a second "sighting" or "citing" of a yellow GSP. I
remember when this one came around thinking they did nothing last time no sense
in joining in this time. I believe the one we tried to report to AKC was
prior to this one.
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Texas Belle
Austin, TX
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| 08/08/2009 2:23 PM |
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If you search for "yellow shorthair" you will find it. There are four threads and they are all dated on or around 5/15/08.
Bev
The Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo) and the Outlaw GSP, Johnny Ringo
From: CathyYak@aol.com
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] President's message/report J/A Journal
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 7:41 PM
Ok, spent an hour and a half looking through the archives for any thread with "lemon" in it. Maybe that was not the title of the thread. I am crying uncle for the moment. I have to get some work done today or I won't be able to go to the match tomorrow .
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)
Yellow Rose GSPs
   
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CathyYak
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| 08/08/2009 2:25 PM |
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It was before 2008.
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Cathy Iacopelli
Claddagh Kennels
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bajnok
MH
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| 08/08/2009 3:09 PM |
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| > The lemon color is being found in litters where the parents purchased
> as hunting companions are both liver or a combination of liver and
> white and the DNA on the pups indicate the parents to be correct. To
> produce "lemon/yellow" both the sire and dam have to carry the "e" and
> if bred may produce one or more pups with "ee" thus the lemon/yellow
> color will be expressed.
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> Patte Titus
> CheckSix Shorthairs
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Bringing into question the parentage of the sire and dam themselves...
Francois-R. Bernier
Bajnok Regd Vizslas & GSPs
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CathyYak
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| 08/08/2009 3:38 PM |
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Found it, wasted my whole day, by I found it. This was the thread
about the lemon and white GSP's advertised on the internet. The page is
gone now, of course, but it was on qualitydogs.com.
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In a message dated 3/31/2006 12:58:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
on-point@verizon.net writes:
that's not docked that's gone . and I think the key word in the add. is
English. It's a shame some one will buy there first shorthair and end up with
that.
It's an older ad, pups were born last summer. Both parents are registered
as liver and white. According to the pedigree, they go back to Dixieland,
Rawhide, Moesgaard, and Wildfire. Nothing recognizable to me up close though.
Not a show dog in the bunch, so no need to go changing the standard as of yet
Terry. Bet they also have a pointer in the house or the neighborhood.
AKC doesn't care, I spoke to Steve Robinson in the Investigations dept and
he didn't seem interested. When I pressed him as to the integrity of the AKC
registry in this case, he told me if I wanted to I could make a complaint but
I would have to pay $500. I wish I had an extra $500 laying around, but I
don't.
Cathy Iacopelli
_Claddagh Kennels_ (http://www.claddaghkennels.com/)
German Shorthaired Pointers
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mollywilson
JH
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| 08/08/2009 3:55 PM |
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| Short and sweet -- In your view Patte, does a further understanding of
the genetics surrounding the "lemon" issue help or hurt those of us who
support the change in breed standard to include black? I can't help but
feel it will impact the issue somehow.
Molly
Nate & Patte Titus wrote:
> Been following this thread with some interest. Pros and cons on both
> sides. Based on historical pictures of dogs imported to the U.S.
> beginning with Dr. Thornton in 1925 the GSP breed has changed. Some
> would say the noticeable change/split between show and field dog
> conformation began in and around the 1970's. I continue to see
> reference to the genetic makeup of the GSP and would like to clarify a
> couple of things as it pertains to the early Pointer influx.
>
> The Spanish, French and English pointer original stock trace back to
> the Italian pointer and with each point along the way the dogs
> developed a specific look with specific traits depending upon where in
> a particular country it was located, the hunting style and
> requirements of those individuals living there not to mention a look
> they found pleasing to the eye. The late 1700, early 1800 strains of
> pointer were still evolving.
>
> The documented use of the Arkwright Pointer in the early development
> of the GSP is well known. What a lot of individuals don't know about
> this particular strain of pointer is, they were solid black, their
> head piece and foot configuration different from the other pointer
> strains at the time and they were well known for the backing and
> scenting capabilities. William Arkwright went to great lengths to
> keep his strain of pointers from being cross bred to the point he
> subsequently moved them out of England to Sweden.
>
> Why, because at the time the other Pointer men in England were out
> crossing to other breeds in the hope of finding something to improve
> their present stock. It was Colonel Thornton(not to be confused with
> Dr. Thornton) whose well known out cross to the English Foxhound is
> documented by his dog "Dash" - a phenomenal dog but did nothing to
> produce more of the same and as the other pointer breeders of the time
> found the same out cross set their kennels back as well.
>
> I continue to research to find something that definitely collaborates
> the Foxhound was used in the development of the GSP and to date have
> found no reference to the use of Fuchsjagdhund in any of the German
> reference material. Nor have I found any references to the Foxhound
> being used in the development of the Spanish or French pointers I
> have found multiple comments by American breeder/owers from the
> Fifties to the affect it is "thought" to be to which I refer back to
> German sources and find nothing stating such to be the case. The only
> theory I can surmise goes back to Colonel Thornton and other pointer
> breeders use of the Foxhound and subsequently the misconception that
> the Arkwright Pointer strain being an English kennel must be the
> same. I would be more than happy to receive any documentation by the
> early GSP breed developers that indicate when and where the "foxhound"
> was used in the development of the breed.
>
> What I find interesting is the lack of discussion about the "lemon
> color" cropping up in registered GSP litters found in the Presidents
> Message on p. 8 of the same July/August Journal.
>
> How many have registered a litter of GSPs within the past 6 months and
> noticed one could select; (061) Brown, 063 Brown & White,
> (115) Lemon & White or (199) White as a color that most closely
> describes your dog or "For alternatives, see www.akccolors.org.
>
> Purebred GSPs are "BB", "Bb" or "bb" with or without white in patterns
> with ticking or roan. Genetically our Liver is "bb or brown" but with
> some AKC breeds the color brown is descriptive of a "sandy" or "fawn"
> colored coat which would be incorrect for the GSP coat color. Yet, if
> an individual has a pup in a litter with a coat color of sandy or fawn
> may consider that a correct GSP coat color.
>
> The lemon color is being found in litters where the parents purchased
> as hunting companions are both liver or a combination of liver and
> white and the DNA on the pups indicate the parents to be correct. To
> produce "lemon/yellow" both the sire and dam have to carry the "e" and
> if bred may produce one or more pups with "ee" thus the lemon/yellow
> color will be expressed.
>
> Patte Titus
> CheckSix Shorthairs |
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Surepoint
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| 08/09/2009 10:03 PM |
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In a message dated 8/8/2009 4:25:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
CathyYak@aol.com writes:
Found it, wasted my whole day, by I found it. This was the thread
about the lemon and white GSP's advertised on the internet. The page is
gone now, of course, but it was on qualitydogs.com.
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In a message dated 3/31/2006 12:58:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
on-point@verizon.net writes:
that's not docked that's gone . and I think the key word in the add. is
English. It's a shame some one will buy there first shorthair and end up with
that.
It's an older ad, pups were born last summer. Both parents are registered
as liver and white. According to the pedigree, they go back to Dixieland,
Rawhide, Moesgaard, and Wildfire. Nothing recognizable to me up close though.
Not a show dog in the bunch, so no need to go changing the standard as of yet
Terry. Bet they also have a pointer in the house or the neighborhood.
AKC doesn't care, I spoke to Steve Robinson in the Investigations dept and
he didn't seem interested. When I pressed him as to the integrity of the AKC
registry in this case, he told me if I wanted to I could make a complaint but
I would have to pay $500. I wish I had an extra $500 laying around, but I
don't.
Cathy Iacopelli
_Claddagh Kennels_ (http://www.claddaghkennels.com/)
German Shorthaired Pointers
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legacykennels1
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that..is no way a "purebred" gsp....if i looked at it with a quick glance I would think pointing lab..with its tail wacked off. just my opinion. Donna
--- On Sun, 8/9/09, Surepoint@aol.com wrote:
From: Surepoint@aol.com
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] President's message/report J/A Journal
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 11:48 PM
In a message dated 8/8/2009 4:25:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time, CathyYak@aol.com writes:
Found it, wasted my whole day, by I found it. This was the thread about the lemon and white GSP's advertised on the internet. The page is gone now, of course, but it was on qualitydogs.com.
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In a message dated 3/31/2006 12:58:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
on-point@verizon.net writes:
that's not docked that's gone . and I think the key word in the add. is
English. It's a shame some one will buy there first shorthair and end up with
that.
It's an older ad, pups were born last summer. Both parents are registered
as liver and white. According to the pedigree, they go back to Dixieland,
Rawhide, Moesgaard, and Wildfire. Nothing recognizable to me up close though.
Not a show dog in the bunch, so no need to go changing the standard as of yet
Terry. Bet they also have a pointer in the house or the neighborhood.
AKC doesn't care, I spoke to Steve Robinson in the Investigations dept and
he didn't seem interested. When I pressed him as to the integrity of the AKC
registry in this case, he told me if I wanted to I could make a complaint but
I would have to pay $500. I wish I had an extra $500 laying around, but I
don't.
Cathy Iacopelli
_Claddagh Kennels_ (http://www.claddaghkennels.com/)
German Shorthaired Pointers
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shortales
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| 08/10/2009 12:15 PM |
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I contacted the AKC on this issue. They did investigate the "kennel" and did parentage testing that was conclusive that the parents were the correct GSP registered dogs as stated.
Leita Estes Shortales German Shorthaired Pointers 1 Spotty dog (Dalmatian) Ch. Merry Go Rounds Match Point
--- On Sat, 8/8/09, CathyYak@aol.com wrote:
From: CathyYak@aol.com
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] President's message/report J/A Journal
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 6:17 PM
Patte,
I don't know if you recall, but some time ago there was quite an outcry here on this list about an internet advertisement for lemon GSP's. I personally wrote to Ken Marden to ask that the lemon GSPs be investigated by the AKC. Ken's response was that the AKC would not investigate unless someone put up $500. And that the pups were probably sold anyway. Neither Ken Marden, nor the GSPCA seemed to find it important enough to pursue. I recall Nancy Campbell also being pretty upset about it, but she didn't get anywhere either. I couldn't understand how the GSPCA's AKC liaison didn't care that people were registering lemon and white GSPs as purebred GSPs. And I couldn't understand why no one on the board of the GSPCA saw fit to pursue it either.
For the GSPCA President to bring it up now is very confusing to me, as no one seemed to care then. I would suspect the posts could be found in the archives. But I don't recall exactly when it was. Maybe I will look for it...
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RoggenfeldGSPs1
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| 08/10/2009 1:14 PM |
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Of course that doesn't prove the parents were pure-bred GSPs, only that
they are the parents. You would have to go back ? generations to find
out where the lemon came from, since they must have gotten the e gene
from somewhere on both sides.
Pam Parshall
Roggenfeld Shorthairs
Leita Estes wrote:
I contacted the AKC on this issue. They did investigate
the "kennel" and did parentage testing that was conclusive that the
parents were the correct GSP registered dogs as stated.
Leita Estes Shortales German Shorthaired Pointers
1 Spotty dog (Dalmatian) Ch. Merry Go Rounds Match Point
--- On Sat, 8/8/09, CathyYak@aol.com
wrote:
From: CathyYak@aol.com
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] President's message/report J/A Journal
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 6:17 PM
Patte,
I don't know if you recall, but some time ago there was
quite an outcry here on this list about an internet advertisement for
lemon GSP's. I personally wrote to Ken Marden to ask that the lemon
GSPs be investigated by the AKC. Ken's response was that the AKC would
not investigate unless someone put up $500. And that the pups were
probably sold anyway. Neither Ken Marden, nor the GSPCA seemed to find
it important enough to pursue. I recall Nancy Campbell also being
pretty upset about it, but she didn't get anywhere either. I couldn't
understand how the GSPCA's AKC liaison didn't care that people were
registering lemon and white GSPs as purebred GSPs. And I couldn't
understand why no one on the board of the GSPCA saw fit to pursue it
either.
For the GSPCA President to bring it up now is very
confusing to me, as no one seemed to care then. I would suspect the
posts could be found in the archives. But I don't recall exactly when
it was. Maybe I will look for it...
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CathyYak
MH
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| EXACTLY PAM! It only proves they are the parents. If I understand what
Francois said, both parents would have to carry to gene for that color
in order for the pup to have it. If both parents were liver and white
and appear to be GSPs, then both parents had to either be crossbred and
carry the gene, or each had to have a crossbred ancestor who passed
down the gene.
Right or wrong Francois? Or is it more complicated than that?
Cathy
-----Original Message-----
From: Pam Parshall
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Sent: Mon, Aug 10, 2009 2:59 pm
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] President's message/report J/A Journal
Of course that doesn't prove the parents were pure-bred GSPs, only that
they are the parents. You would have to go back ? generations to find
out where the lemon came from, since they must have gotten the e gene
from somewhere on both sides.
Pam Parshall
Roggenfeld Shorthairs
Leita Estes wrote:
I contacted the AKC on this issue. They did investigate the "kennel"
and did parentage testing that was conclusive that the parents were the
correct GSP registered dogs as stated.
Leita Estes Shortales German Shorthaired Pointers 1 Spotty dog
(Dalmatian) Ch. Merry Go Rounds Match Point
--- On Sat, 8/8/09, CathyYak@aol.com wrote:
From: CathyYak@aol.com
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] President's message/report20J/A Journal
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 6:17 PM
Patte,
I don't know if you recall, but some time ago there was quite an outcry
here on this list about an internet advertisement for lemon GSP's. I
personally wrote to Ken Marden to ask that the lemon GSPs be
investigated by the AKC. Ken's response was that the AKC would not
investigate unless someone put up $500. And that the pups were
probably sold anyway. Neither Ken Marden, nor the GSPCA seemed to find
it important enough to pursue. I recall Nancy Campbell also being
pretty upset about it, but she didn't get anywhere either. I couldn't
understand how the GSPCA's AKC liaison didn't care that people were
registering lemon and white GSPs as purebred GSPs. And I couldn't
understand why no one on the board of the GSPCA saw fit to pursue it
either.
For the GSPCA President to bring it up now is very confusing to me, as
no one seemed to care then. I would suspect the posts could be found in
the archives. But I don't recall exactly when it was. Maybe I will
look for it...
Cathy Iacopelli
Claddagh Kennels
German Shorthaired Pointers
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shortales
MH
Posts:336
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Pam
This is correct. But now we have a test from Vetgen.
Leita Estes Shortales German Shorthaired Pointers 1 Spotty dog (Dalmatian) Ch. Merry Go Rounds Match Point
--- On Mon, 8/10/09, Pam Parshall wrote:
From: Pam Parshall
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] President's message/report J/A Journal
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 6:59 PM
Of course that doesn't prove the parents were pure-bred GSPs, only that they are the parents. You would have to go back ? generations to find out where the lemon came from, since they must have gotten the e gene from somewhere on both sides. Pam Parshall Roggenfeld Shorthairs Leita Estes wrote:
I contacted the AKC on this issue. They did investigate the "kennel" and did parentage testing that was conclusive that the parents were the correct GSP registered dogs as stated.
Leita Estes Shortales German Shorthaired Pointers 1 Spotty dog (Dalmatian) Ch. Merry Go Rounds Match Point
--- On Sat, 8/8/09, CathyYak@aol.com wrote:
From: CathyYak@aol.com
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] President's message/report J/A Journal
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 6:17 PM
Patte,
I don't know if you recall, but some time ago there was quite an outcry here on this list about an internet advertisement for lemon GSP's. I personally wrote to Ken Marden to ask that the lemon GSPs be investigated by the AKC. Ken's response was that the AKC would not investigate unless someone put up $500. And that the pups were probably sold anyway. Neither Ken Marden, nor the GSPCA seemed to find it important enough to pursue. I recall Nancy Campbell also being pretty upset about it, but she didn't get anywhere either. I couldn't understand how the GSPCA's AKC liaison didn't care that people were registering lemon and white GSPs as purebred GSPs. And I couldn't understand why no one on the board of the GSPCA saw fit to pursue it either.
For the GSPCA President to bring it up now is very confusing to me, as no one seemed to care then. I would suspect the posts could be found in the archives. But I don't recall exactly when it was. Maybe I will look for it...
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Unwillyn
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| 08/10/2009 3:27 PM |
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| This together with AKC's insistence that the black puppy was out of
the two l/w parents makes me seriously question the reliability of
these tests (or at least the method of submission).
On Aug 10, 2009, at 11:01 AM, Leita Estes wrote:
> I contacted the AKC on this issue. They did investigate the "kennel"
> and did parentage testing that was conclusive that the parents were
> the correct GSP registered dogs as stated.
>
> Leita Estes Shortales German Shorthaired Pointers 1 Spotty dog
> (Dalmatian) Ch. Merry Go Rounds Match Point
>
> --- On Sat, 8/8/09, CathyYak@aol.com wrote:
>
> From: CathyYak@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [gsp-l] President's message/report J/A Journal
> To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
> Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 6:17 PM
>
> Patte,
> I don't know if you recall, but some time ago there was quite an
> outcry here on this list about an internet advertisement for lemon
> GSP's. I personally wrote to Ken Marden to ask that the lemon GSPs
> be investigated by the AKC. Ken's response was that the AKC would
> not investigate unless someone put up $500. And that the pups
> were probably sold anyway. Neither Ken Marden, nor the GSPCA seemed
> to find it important enough to pursue. I recall Nancy Campbell also
> being pretty upset about it, but she didn't get anywhere either. I
> couldn't understand how the GSPCA's AKC liaison didn't care that
> people were registering lemon and white GSPs as purebred GSPs. And
> I couldn't understand why no one on the board of the GSPCA saw fit
> to pursue it either.
>
> For the GSPCA President to bring it up now is very confusing to me,
> as no one seemed to care then. I would suspect the posts could be
> found in the archives. But I don't recall exactly when it was.
> Maybe I will look for it...
>
> Cathy Iacopelli
> Claddagh Kennels
> German Shorthaired Pointers
>
>
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