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legacykennels1
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| Ok folks..heres a new can of worms..check out this website littehunterkennels.com and see the yellow and white/AKC reg. GSP who sorta looks like a lab?....hmmmm. At least the silve pup looked like a shorthair and was pretty in a odd way. I found this on the Versatile Dogs Website if anyone has trouble finding the website. Someone said AKC was already checking this out Donna
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Jarvyce
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In a message dated 5/14/2008 8:00:30 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
legacykennels1@verizon.net writes:
Ok
folks..heres a new can of worms..check out this website
littehunterkennels.com
and see the yellow and white/AKC reg. GSP who sorta looks like a
lab?....hmmmm. At least the silve pup looked like a shorthair and was pretty
in a odd way. I found this on the Versatile Dogs Website if anyone has trouble
finding the website. Someone said AKC was already checking this
out Donna
This looks like nothing more then a white GSP. Though not a
"showable" color, it seems to be able to point. I think what you are seeing is
sun burning. If you look at the previous litters page you can see sire, dam and
littermates. What would they possibly profit from having a yellow GSP? they
don't even promote it on there website as such. Actually, they seem to promote
hunting dogs and that is about it.
If this is such an issue for you, why not just not use their
dogs for breeding or but one for yourself. Then you can do your part in not
having a part in those lines? Do you not have anything better to do then surf
websites looking for something to pick at?
The "silver" GSP was a dilution. It is something that occurs
JUST like solid white GSP.
Arvind
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CathyYak
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There was a littler of lemon GSP's advertised and sold on the internet a year or so ago. We asked Ken Marden, our GSPCA AKC rep to look into getting AKC to investigate it and he basically told me AKC was not interested and would not investigate it unless someone put up $500. Makes me wonder about the real integrity of the registry...
Cathy
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legacykennels1
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| 05/14/2008 6:32 AM |
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Excuse me....what the heck is your problem?....I dont spend all day looking for faults in peoples dogs. This was on a website for Versatile dogs that I visit...the dog is yellow and white, not white. Dorothea and I were discussing it via email and she suggested I post it to the list for others to see. You dont know me , but we met at the NSS in Kentucky and you seemed like a nice person, but now Im not so sure....and no I dont want to buy one or breed one ...just sharing some interesting information to fellow dog people..jeeeeeeesh...go drink some coffee or something will ya? Donna
Jarvyce@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 5/14/2008 8:00:30 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, legacykennels1@verizon.net writes:
Ok folks..heres a new can of worms..check out this website littehunterkennels.com and see the yellow and white/AKC reg. GSP who sorta looks like a lab?....hmmmm. At least the silve pup looked like a shorthair and was pretty in a odd way. I found this on the Versatile Dogs Website if anyone has trouble finding the website. Someone said AKC was already checking this out Donna This looks like nothing more then a white GSP. Though not a "showable" color, it seems to be able to point. I think what you are seeing is sun burning. If you look at the previous litters page you can see sire, dam and littermates. What would they possibly profit from having a yellow GSP? they don't even promote
it on there website as such. Actually, they seem to promote hunting dogs and that is about it. If this is such an issue for you, why not just not use their dogs for breeding or but one for yourself. Then you can do your part in not having a part in those lines? Do you not have anything better to do then surf websites looking for something to pick at? The "silver" GSP was a dilution. It is something that occurs JUST like solid white GSP. Arvind
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CathyYak
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| 05/14/2008 6:38 AM |
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The "silver" GSP was a dilution. It is something that occurs JUST like solid white GSP. Actually, according to the geneticists that weighed in on that subject, the silver GSP is the result of a cross breeding with a weim (or one other breed, I forget which) in a previous generation, but not the immediate parents.
The reason for the color exclusions in the standard is to keep crossbred dogs out of our gene pool and registry. Other colors point to someone in the mix who does not belong there.
And why should honest breeders not care when someone is representing mutts as purebred GSP's? I think we should all care! We need to police our own, because the powers that be do not seem interested in doing it for us.
Cathy Iacopelli
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| 05/14/2008 6:40 AM |
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Are you kidding me
Arvind? You are way out of line here...
Donna has plenty other things to
do than search Websites ... Not sure you even know who she is , but she has
been involved with GSP's way before you were even born so for you to talk
to her in this way is very rude.
Perhaps you have nothing better to
do than reply to peoples post in a nasty way......
I thought it was interesting and
that others would like to see it...
Did you notice that this so called
Full GSP has a solid liver Sire and a Solid Black Dam? In all my years of
breeding I have never seen a solid white GSP with no other markings , have you?
Not saying it cant happen just wanted to know if you have seen one?
Dorothea
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Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 8:14
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Subject: Re: [gsp-l] yellow
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Ok
folks..heres a new can of worms..check out this website
littehunterkennels.com
and see the yellow and white/AKC reg. GSP who sorta looks like a
lab?....hmmmm. At least the silve pup looked like a shorthair and was pretty
in a odd way. I found this on the Versatile Dogs Website if anyone has
trouble finding the website. Someone said AKC was already checking this
out Donna
This looks like nothing more then a white GSP. Though not a
"showable" color, it seems to be able to point. I think what you are seeing is
sun burning. If you look at the previous litters page you can see sire, dam
and littermates. What would they possibly profit from having a yellow GSP?
they don't even promote it on there website as such. Actually, they seem to
promote hunting dogs and that is about it.
If this is such an issue for you, why not just not use their
dogs for breeding or but one for yourself. Then you can do your part in not
having a part in those lines? Do you not have anything better to do then surf
websites looking for something to pick at?
The "silver" GSP was a dilution. It is something that occurs
JUST like solid white GSP.
Arvind
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legacykennels1
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| 05/14/2008 6:55 AM |
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Thank you Cathy...that was my intention....We are the stewards of our breed and should not turn our heads away when we see something that is wrong. Donna
cathyyak@aol.com wrote:
The "silver" GSP was a dilution. It is something that occurs JUST like solid white GSP. Actually, according to the geneticists that weighed in on that subject, the silver GSP is the result of a cross breeding with a weim (or one other breed, I forget which) in a previous generation, but not the immediate parents.
The reason for the color exclusions in the standard is to keep crossbred dogs out of our gene pool and registry. Other colors point to someone in the mix who does not belong there.
And why should honest breeders not care when someone is
representing mutts as purebred GSP's? I think we should all care! We need to police our own, because the powers that be do not seem interested in doing it for us.
Cathy Iacopelli
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legacykennels1
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Dorothea...thanks..perhaps he thought he was picking on some poor newbie? Alpha dog kinda thing perhaps? He needs better manners as I have seen him lambast others on this board for having an opinion. I will forgive him...he aint had no proper upfetchin I think. lol. Donna
Dorothea Vooris-Hand wrote: Are you kidding me Arvind? You are way out of line here... Donna has plenty other things to do than search Websites ... Not sure you even know who she is , but she has been involved with GSP's way before you were even born so for you to talk to her in this way
is very rude. Perhaps you have nothing better to do than reply to peoples post in a nasty way...... I thought it was interesting and that others would like to see it... Did you notice that this so called Full GSP has a solid liver Sire and a Solid Black Dam? In all my years of breeding I have never seen a solid white GSP with no other markings , have you? Not saying it cant happen just wanted to know if you have seen one? Dorothea ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [gsp-l] yellow shorthair
Ok folks..heres a new can of worms..check out this website littehunterkennels.com and see the yellow and white/AKC reg. GSP who sorta looks like a lab?....hmmmm. At least the silve pup looked like a shorthair and was pretty in a odd way. I found this on the Versatile Dogs Website if anyone has trouble finding the website. Someone said AKC was already checking this out Donna This looks like nothing more then a white GSP. Though not a "showable" color, it seems to be able to point. I think what you are seeing is sun burning. If you look at the previous litters page you can see sire, dam and littermates. What would they possibly profit from having a yellow GSP? they don't even promote it on there
website as such. Actually, they seem to promote hunting dogs and that is about it. If this is such an issue for you, why not just not use their dogs for breeding or but one for yourself. Then you can do your part in not having a part in those lines? Do you not have anything better to do then surf websites looking for something to pick at? The "silver" GSP was a dilution. It is something that occurs JUST like solid white GSP. Arvind
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CathyYak
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http://littlehunterkennels.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/scan00011.jpg
Remember the song on Sesame Street?
"One of these things in not like the others.
One of these things just doesn't belong.
Can you guess which thing is not like the others.
Before I finish my song?"
But seriously, can anyone believe this is a purebred GSP? Likely one of the parents is actually not a purebred GSP, and the proof is in the puppy. Like the silver weims...
Cathy
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CRYSTALKENNELS
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| 05/14/2008 7:05 AM |
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Sure looks like a yellow lab to me...........those blacks and the 'liver' look like Lab pups with their tails docked............ maybe they put them in with the shorthair pups?
Judy Zeigler
www.crystalkennels.com
If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went.
Will Rogers, 1897-1935
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berihill
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| 05/14/2008 7:07 AM |
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I agree with Judy
It looks like a lab cross with it's tail docked to me.
Jennifer Mills
www.berihill.com
----- Original Message ---- From: "CRYSTALKENNELS@aol.com"
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 7:53:11 AM
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] yellow shorthair
Sure looks like a yellow lab to me...........those blacks and the 'liver' look like Lab pups with their tails docked............ maybe they put them in with the shorthair pups?
Judy Zeigler
www.crystalkennels.com
If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went.
Will Rogers, 1897-1935
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CathyYak
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| 05/14/2008 7:11 AM |
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I was having a conversation this weekend at a show, where I saw some solid black Pointer pups. I had not seen a solid pointer before. Of course, being 9 weeks old, they were adorable  . I was told by one of the pointer people that if you breed a solid black pointer to a solid liver shorthair, you can get lemon pups. She also mentioned several other combinations, but I was so busy playing with the pups I don't recall most of it. I wish I had gotten that person's name as she seemed to have an excellent grasp on coat color genetics, especially as they related to crossbreeding.
Francois, you usually know the scoop on these genetic issues. Care to weigh in?
Cathy
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LOL To funny Cathy and oh so true
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 8:48
AM
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] yellow
shorthair
http://littlehunterkennels.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/scan00011.jpg
Remember
the song on Sesame Street?
"One of these things in not like the
others.
One of these things just doesn't belong.
Can you guess which
thing is not like the others.
Before I finish my song?"
But
seriously, can anyone believe this is a purebred GSP? Likely one of the
parents is actually not a purebred GSP, and the proof is in the puppy.
Like the silver weims...
Cathy
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Jarvyce
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| 05/14/2008 8:03 AM |
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In a message dated 5/14/2008 8:28:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
dogshowpro@wildblue.net writes:
Did you notice that this so
called Full GSP has a solid liver Sire and a Solid Black Dam? In all my years
of breeding I have never seen a solid white GSP with no other markings , have
you? Not saying it cant happen just wanted to know if you have seen
one?
I had not intention of being rude, but I produced a solid
white GSP. It looked a lot like this dog in color as an adult (it did not have
complete pigmentation on his nose). The yellow tinge was sunburning. It also had
a propensity for staining from Florida water. So I was giving these people the
benefit of the doubt.
As for further posts about my manners, I do not write emails
well. I write as I speak and how I think. If this is to unpolished, unrefined or
politically incorrect so sorry. I have also never picked on a novice, but why
would you know that.
Many GSP do not fit the standard for type, but they have CH
parents. Does that mean they might not be purebred? Stewart of the breed is one
thing, but sometimes the posts can be so antagonistic. My interpretation of this
was different from others, again sorry.
Arvind
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canebrake1
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| 05/14/2008 8:10 AM |
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yellow GSP hmmmmmmm???? Lab x GSP =
awesome agility dog ..... JUST KIDDING!
The two are great breeds SEPARATELY
All kidding aside, I hope noone would seriously
breed the two on purpose...
Martha
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 7:58
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Subject: Re: [gsp-l] yellow
shorthair
LOL To funny Cathy and oh so true
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 8:48
AM
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] yellow
shorthair
http://littlehunterkennels.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/scan00011.jpg
Remember
the song on Sesame Street?
"One of these things in not like
the others.
One of these things just doesn't belong.
Can you guess
which thing is not like the others.
Before I finish my song?"
But
seriously, can anyone believe this is a purebred GSP? Likely one of
the parents is actually not a purebred GSP, and the proof is in the
puppy. Like the silver weims...
Cathy
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mountaindogs
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| 05/14/2008 8:37 AM |
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Well, to be fair and excluding the Lemon/yellow issue for a minute a solid
black (heterozygous for ticked and for black/liver) and a solid Liver
(heterozygous for ticked) could produce solid black, solid liver, liver ticked
and black ticked.
Now on the solid white, with yellow ears and face highlights I can't say.
Looks to have a single coat, not double coat like a lab, but poorly bred labs
often lack the full double coat and have thin tails. I had a
very clear pup in a litter that was very white, but had liver head with a
clear blaze. His ears of course are liver of course, but he is all grown up and
his body is still pure white with about 12 spots of ticking.  He has no
yellowing on his body. When he is dirty he looks like a dirty white dog
It is hard to tell from the adult photo, but the shoulders and back look
kinda yellowed. Don't know about the sun burning, though my liver guys are
always trying to turn orange in the sun . I think they do it just to spite me
sometimes as they will lay in the tiniest sliver of sun even when it's mostly
shady. Several of their listed adults are well titled and have quite a bit
of health clearances done. Don't know if they were adult purchases or not, but
given that I would consider the all white GSP possibilty, though I have never
seen one before. I sure HOPE that would be the case, because as I watch the lab
breed get thinner and lankier for faster and faster running, and see the double
coat lost in some, I have often noticed that the few solid black GSP's that I
know, are blockier and more broad in the skull and muzzle than a lot of the labs
I see now. And is saddens me for the lab breed. Lab coat is still longer, but
getting thinner in a lot of lines.
Arvind, I would love to know more about your experience. Maybe it would
help us understand. The breed standard states that a solid white is a
disqualification (along with any black) which originally led me to believe that
it had been seen before. But I have heard many breeders say that it is not
possible. So I just filed it away as "need to learn more about to have an
opinion" and kept my eyes and ears open. Maybe this is a chance to find out
more. Email me privately if you like
Laurie
BriarField (& a Lab & a Drathaar)
In a message dated 5/14/2008 8:59:33 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
canebrake1@comcast.net writes:
yellow GSP hmmmmmmm???? Lab x GSP =
awesome agility dog ..... JUST
KIDDING! The two are great breeds SEPARATELY
All kidding aside, I hope noone would seriously
breed the two on purpose...
Martha
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 7:58
AM
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] yellow
shorthair
LOL To funny Cathy and oh so true
!!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 8:48
AM
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] yellow
shorthair
http://littlehunterkennels.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/scan00011.jpg
Remember
the song on Sesame Street?
"One of these things in not like
the others.
One of these things just doesn't belong.
Can you guess
which thing is not like the others.
Before I finish my
song?"
But seriously, can anyone believe this is a purebred
GSP? Likely one of the parents is actually not a purebred GSP, and
the proof is in the puppy. Like the silver weims...
Cathy
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legacykennels1
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| 05/14/2008 8:50 AM |
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Jarvyce@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 5/14/2008 8:28:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dogshowpro@wildblue.net writes: Did you notice that this so called Full GSP has a solid liver Sire and a Solid Black Dam? In all my years of breeding I have never seen a solid white GSP with no other markings , have you? Not saying it cant happen just wanted to know if you have seen one? I had not intention of being rude, but I produced a solid
white GSP. It looked a lot like this dog in color as an adult (it did not have complete pigmentation on his nose). The yellow tinge was sunburning. It also had a propensity for staining from Florida water. So I was giving these people the benefit of the doubt. Unfortunately you came off as very rude, as well as antogonistic as well. I have seen white dogs, this dog is not only not white, but has no resemblance to a gsp..more like a lab. So nice that you gave these people the benefit of the doubt, but neglected to give me that much respect. As for further posts about my manners, I do not write emails well. I write as I speak and how I think. If this is to unpolished, unrefined or politically incorrect so sorry. I have also never picked on a novice, but why would you know that. I dont know that, but given the anger you displayed in your
post, who knows. It does not matter who you pick on...dont pick on anyone. Think before you speak, remember the movie Bambi and the wise owl.."unless you have something nice to say ..dont say anything at all" Many GSP do not fit the standard for type, but they have CH parents. Does that mean they might not be purebred? Stewart of the breed is one thing, but sometimes the posts can be so antagonistic. My interpretation of this was different from others, again sorry. I have seen many dogs over the years who dont fit the criteria for a "show dog"..who cares? as long as they are sound mentally and can hunt and do anything our breed is known for it does not matter to me. All they need is a loving home..and being ugly is no excuse for a suspision of parentage. I dont think you interpreted anything..you just had a knee jerk reaction for some reason. Apology
accepted and lets move on. Donna Arvind
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LahrGSP
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| 05/14/2008 8:56 AM |
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In a message dated 5/14/2008 5:15:29 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
Jarvyce@aol.com writes:
If this is such an issue for you, why not just not use their
dogs for breeding or but one for yourself. Then you can do your part in not
having a part in those lines? Do you not have anything better to do then surf
websites looking for something to pick
at?
Arvind you are being very rude!!
Julie
Lahr
www.vonlahrheim.com
Show
Leads!
"Life is too short and the world is too small to make
enemies."
Nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission.
-Eleanor Roosevelt-
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LahrGSP
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| 05/14/2008 8:58 AM |
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Could it be a mutation? I couldn't get on their website and
only saw the picture Cathy had the link to.
Julie
Lahr
www.vonlahrheim.com
Show
Leads!
"Life is too short and the world is too small to make
enemies."
Nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission.
-Eleanor Roosevelt-
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CathyYak
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| 05/14/2008 9:10 AM |
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Cathy Iacopelli
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