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Gspdoo
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| 04/03/2008 5:54 PM |
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I got a question yesterday from someone about entries for the NSS, and
I wasn't sure of the answer. She wants to enter a dog in both Veterans and
BOB. I looked at the rule book and it says that if a dog is defeated in any
regular class, it can't go in for BOB. Since Veterans is a non-regular class, I
would think it can go in for BOB even if it does not win the Veterans
class.
Am I right?
Sandra Kretz
MARIAH
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wyndbournegsp
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| 04/03/2008 6:03 PM |
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As best I know it, no. If he is defeated in Veterans he cannot go on to BOB.
Sue Harrison
-----Original Message-----
From: Gspdoo@aol.com
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Cc: Mariahgsps@aol.com
Sent: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 8:43 pm
Subject: [gsp-l] Another Entry Question -- NSS
I got a question yesterday from someone about entries for the NSS, and I wasn't sure of the answer. She wants to enter a dog in both Veterans and BOB. I looked at the rule book and it says that if a dog is defeated in any regular class, it can't go in for BOB. Since Veterans is a non-regular class, I would think it can go in for BOB even if it does not win the Veterans class.
Am I right?
Sandra Kretz
MARIAH
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wyndbournegsp
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| 04/03/2008 6:05 PM |
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An additional note. He can compete in the Veteran Sweeps and be entered in BOB.
Sue
-----Original Message-----
From: Gspdoo@aol.com
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Cc: Mariahgsps@aol.com
Sent: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 8:43 pm
Subject: [gsp-l] Another Entry Question -- NSS
I got a question yesterday from someone about entries for the NSS, and I wasn't sure of the answer. She wants to enter a dog in both Veterans and BOB. I looked at the rule book and it says that if a dog is defeated in any regular class, it can't go in for BOB. Since Veterans is a non-regular class, I would think it can go in for BOB even if it does not win the Veterans class.
Am I right?
Sandra Kretz
MARIAH
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ASKMEGSP
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| 04/03/2008 6:05 PM |
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I think that is correct.
Ann
Olde Ridge GSPs
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roggenfeldGSPs
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| 04/03/2008 6:43 PM |
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I checked with a friend who has been showing since we were all in
diapers. She said she didn't think it was OK but to check with AKC
since entries don't close for 2 weeks.
Pam Parshall
Roggenfeld
Gspdoo@aol.com wrote:
I got a question yesterday from someone about entries for the
NSS, and I wasn't sure of the answer. She wants to enter a dog in both
Veterans and BOB. I looked at the rule book and it says that if a dog
is defeated in any regular class, it can't go in for BOB. Since
Veterans is a non-regular class, I would think it can go in for BOB
even if it does not win the Veterans class.
Am I right?
Sandra Kretz
MARIAH
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JimandeeGSP
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| 04/03/2008 6:58 PM |
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Regarding defeated dogs:
AKC Rules & Regs: Chapter 3 Section 13: "...a dog that has been defeated in any regular or non regular class for single dog entries in its breed or variety at the show is ineligible to compete for Best of Breed or Variety."
I am asked this all the time as I do show secretary work regularly.
Jan McManigal
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Gspdoo
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| 04/03/2008 7:03 PM |
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Thanks for the responses. I just went back to Section 3 myself again and
re-read it, and it is as you say -- if the dog loses in Veterans, it cannot go
into BOB. So she must choose which she wants to enter.
Sandra
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cloverhillgsp
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| 04/04/2008 6:27 AM |
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I also agree,if a dog is defeated in any class, it cannot go in for Best of Breed-
ELLEN & FRANK CAVALLA
CLOVER HILL GSP'S
On Thu Apr 3 21:54 , ASKMEGSP@aol.com sent:
I think that is correct.
Ann
Olde Ridge GSPs
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whiteriver
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| 04/04/2008 8:20 AM |
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| Sue is correct. Remember in Lancaster when the Winners Bitch was entered in Hunting Bitch (non-regular) class and was defeated - so could not go in the ring for Breed. Judge Burns did her the wonderful honor of allowing her a lap around by herself to recognize her wonderful accomplishment.
Char R
White River Shorthairs
whiteriver@embarqmail.com
----- Original Message -----
From: wyndbournegsp@aol.com
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Sent: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 20:52:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] Another Entry Question -- NSS
As best I know it, no. If he is defeated in Veterans he cannot go on to BOB.
Sue Harrison
-----Original Message-----
From: Gspdoo@aol.com
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Cc: Mariahgsps@aol.com
Sent: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 8:43 pm
Subject: [gsp-l] Another Entry Question -- NSS
I got a question yesterday from someone?about entries for the NSS, and I wasn't sure of the answer. She wants to?enter a dog in both Veterans and BOB. I looked at the rule book and it says that if a dog is defeated in?any regular class, it can't go in for BOB. Since Veterans is a non-regular class, I would think it can go in for BOB even if it does not win the Veterans class.
?
Am I right?
?
Sandra Kretz
MARIAH
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LahrGSP
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| 04/04/2008 8:24 AM |
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In a message dated 4/4/2008 8:09:45 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
whiteriver@embarqmail.com writes:
Winners
Bitch was entered in Hunting Bitch (non-regular) class and was defeated - so
could not go in the ring for Breed. Judge Burns did her the wonderful
honor of allowing her a lap around by herself to recognize her wonderful
accomplishment.
Char R
White River
Shorthairs
whiteriver@embarqmail.com
With something like that would they still give out best
of winners? Or did they?
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singltrak1
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| 04/04/2008 8:35 AM |
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Yep, as it was considered
as a separate competition between the WD and WB. Took a call to AKC to
sort it out, as I understand.
(Never understood why the
WB wasn't pulled from Hunting bitch after she took Winners, but not my
dog..)
Phyllis
(heading out for a show
this morning to West Texas)
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 9:14
AM
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] Another Entry
Question -- NSS
With something like that would they still give out
best of winners? Or did they?
Julie
Lahr
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Adam
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| 04/04/2008 8:39 AM |
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| What would've happened if she didnt show her in the
hunting bitch class and was marked absent technically
she wouldn't have been defeated so could she have
shown in bob then?
Adam
--- White River wrote:
> Sue is correct. Remember in Lancaster when the
> Winners Bitch was entered in Hunting Bitch
> (non-regular) class and was defeated - so could not
> go in the ring for Breed. Judge Burns did her the
> wonderful honor of allowing her a lap around by
> herself to recognize her wonderful accomplishment.
>
> Char R
> White River Shorthairs
> whiteriver@embarqmail.com
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: wyndbournegsp@aol.com
> To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
> Sent: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 20:52:06 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Re: [gsp-l] Another Entry Question -- NSS
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> As best I know it, no. If he is defeated in Veterans
> he cannot go on to BOB.
>
> Sue Harrison
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gspdoo@aol.com
> To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
> Cc: Mariahgsps@aol.com
> Sent: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 8:43 pm
> Subject: [gsp-l] Another Entry Question -- NSS
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>
> I got a question yesterday from someone?about
> entries for the NSS, and I wasn't sure of the
> answer. She wants to?enter a dog in both Veterans
> and BOB. I looked at the rule book and it says that
> if a dog is defeated in?any regular class, it can't
> go in for BOB. Since Veterans is a non-regular
> class, I would think it can go in for BOB even if it
> does not win the Veterans class.
>
> ?
>
> Am I right?
>
> ?
>
> Sandra Kretz
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> MARIAH
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>
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> Guides.
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wyndbournegsp
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| 04/04/2008 8:43 AM |
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With something like that would they still give out best of winners? Or did they?
Yes, Julie. They judged BOW after the Breed judging was completed. She WB was not eligible for BOB but was for BOW and won it
sue
-----Original Message-----
From: LahrGSP@aol.com
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Sent: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 11:14 am
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] Another Entry Question -- NSS
Winners Bitch was entered in Hunting Bitch (non-regular) class and was defeated - so could not go in the ring for Breed. Judge Burns did her the wonderful honor of allowing her a lap around by herself to recognize her wonderful accomplishment.
Char R
White River Shorthairs
whiteriver@embarqmail.com
With something like that would they still give out best of winners? Or did they?
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singltrak1
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| 04/04/2008 8:45 AM |
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| Yes, it would have lost the owner her entry fee, but at least not a chance
to compete in breed.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam DeLude"
To:
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] Another Entry Question -- NSS
> What would've happened if she didnt show her in the
> hunting bitch class and was marked absent technically
> she wouldn't have been defeated so could she have
> shown in bob then ?
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CRYSTALKENNELS
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| 04/04/2008 8:57 AM |
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In a message dated 4/4/2008 9:25:52 AM Central Standard Time, singltrak@singltrakshorthairs.com writes:
(Never understood why the WB wasn't pulled from Hunting bitch after she took Winners, but not my dog..)
We tried pulling her from from the hunting bitch class and were told we HAD to show her in Hunting bitch class by someone on the board for the GSPCA when we questioned it.........that's how that all came about at the 2004 NSS..................
Judy Zeigler
Jim and Gloria Eustace
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CathyYak
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| 04/04/2008 9:06 AM |
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I think that might be incorrect. I believe there is a rule that says that if a is dog entered and present at an event that it must compete unless excused by the judge, isn't there? If the judge excused the dog from either class, then it could not compete in the BOB class.
I did not know this back in the day and entered open and field trial bitch. The judge determined that I had to compete in and win both classes to compete in the BOB class. Won one and got second in the other, and could not compete further.
Cathy
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singltrak1
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| 04/04/2008 9:25 AM |
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Too bad. And really bad advice
too...
Once a dog has entered the ring for a
specific class, it has to continue to compete in the class, etc., but can be
pulled from later classes, if double entered, not only in order to prevent
something like this happening, but what if the dog becomes ill, hurts a foot, or
something happens that it just can't be there later on.... That's always
been the rule.
Oh well, at least she got BOW. (Did she
not also receive an AOM ?)
Phyllis McNall
Singltrak
Shorthairs...home to Best In Show, Dual Champion German Shorthaired
Pointers
Las Cruces, New Mexico
We tried pulling her from from the
hunting bitch class and were told we HAD to show her in Hunting bitch class by
someone on the board for the GSPCA when we questioned it.........that's how
that all came about at the 2004 NSS..................
Judy Zeigler
Jim and Gloria Eustace
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LahrGSP
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| 04/04/2008 9:27 AM |
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What I have been told is that if you don't pick up the arm
band then you don't have to show and say the dog is absent for that
class.
Recently at a show a bitch finished one day then they pulled
her for the next day but picked up the armband the day after and was ready to
show standing by the ring, when she was told we didn't need her she left, no one
questioned anything.
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berihill
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| 04/04/2008 9:37 AM |
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There is an AKC rule that a dog once it competes at a given show, must continue to compete in all class for which it is entered or becomes eligible. I just had this happen to me not too long ago and received a letter from AKC ;-). If the bitch who won WB at NSS not shown up for Hunting bitch...her WB award would have been diallowed. I don't think the owner would have wanted that! The rule book is available online at AKC site.
Jennifer Mills ~ Berihill GSPs & BCs
www.berihill.com
----- Original Message ---- From: Phyllis McNall
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Sent: Friday, April 4, 2008 11:12:01 AM
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] Another Entry Question -- NSS
Too bad. And really bad advice too...
Once a dog has entered the ring for a specific class, it has to continue to compete in the class, etc., but can be pulled from later classes, if double entered, not only in order to prevent something like this happening, but what if the dog becomes ill, hurts a foot, or something happens that it just can't be there later on.... That's always been the rule.
Oh well, at least she got BOW. (Did she not also receive an AOM ?)
Phyllis McNall
Singltrak Shorthairs...home to Best In Show, Dual Champion German Shorthaired Pointers
Las Cruces, New Mexico
We tried pulling her from from the hunting bitch class and were told we HAD to show her in Hunting bitch class by someone on the board for the GSPCA when we questioned it.........that's how that all came about at the 2004 NSS..................
Judy Zeigler
Jim and Gloria Eustace
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berihill
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| 04/04/2008 9:39 AM |
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Didn't check my spelling...that would be "disallowed"
Jennifer Mills ~ Berihill GSPs & BCs
www.berihill.com
----- Original Message ---- From: Berihill
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Sent: Friday, April 4, 2008 11:26:16 AM
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] Another Entry Question -- NSS
There is an AKC rule that a dog once it competes at a given show, must continue to compete in all class for which it is entered or becomes eligible. I just had this happen to me not too long ago and received a letter from AKC ;-). If the bitch who won WB at NSS not shown up for Hunting bitch...her WB award would have been diallowed. I don't think the owner would have wanted that! The rule book is available online at AKC site.
Jennifer Mills ~ Berihill GSPs & BCs
www.berihill.com
----- Original Message ---- From: Phyllis McNall
To: gsp-l@web.whc.net
Sent: Friday, April 4, 2008 11:12:01 AM
Subject: Re: [gsp-l] Another Entry Question -- NSS
Too bad. And really bad advice too...
Once a dog has entered the ring for a specific class, it has to continue to compete in the class, etc., but can be pulled from later classes, if double entered, not only in order to prevent something like this happening, but what if the dog becomes ill, hurts a foot, or something happens that it just can't be there later on.... That's always been the rule.
Oh well, at least she got BOW. (Did she not also receive an AOM ?)
Phyllis McNall
Singltrak Shorthairs...home to Best In Show, Dual Champion German Shorthaired Pointers
Las Cruces, New Mexico
We tried pulling her from from the hunting bitch class and were told we HAD to show her in Hunting bitch class by someone on the board for the GSPCA when we questioned it.........that's how that all came about at the 2004 NSS..................
Judy Zeigler
Jim and Gloria Eustace
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